Lewes District Council Cabinet Meeting Wednesday 11 January

[Ccider]

And they'll have the benefit of another five minute presentation from me.

Now ... what shall I say this time?

I would point out the inadequacy of their risk management policy (mitigate risk by not losing - its a joke ) .

Asl for the budgetary information on which they base their cost estimate (rather than we can only authorise £25k so thats the basis of our estimate).

How they estimate the governments costs.

What will they do when their costs plus governments costs exceed their budget.

And someone said something about effect of (proposed) NP on development rather than other way round.

Whatever - sock it to 'em.

 

[Lord Bracknell]

You Screamin J are being too f***ing reasonable!

The plan has been subject to a propoganda campaign of lies and vindictiveness, spurious claims of quality in the site, ... arguments of alternative sites designed to cloud the issue (Sheepcote Valley and Shoreham Harbour especially)

Indeed it has, perseus. And not just from what you call the "downs lobby".

But I won't press the point because, today, I am mainly feeling ... f***ing reasonable.

 

[Curious Orange]

Several of the issues have already been discussed on an earlier thread, and the thread also includes a copy of the ODPM letter that re-opened the Inquiry.

It's probably worth repeating the following post about the National Park to back up my earlier comment:

Originally posted by Curious Orange
Actually if you look at the argument next to the wording of the letter you can see that LDC have got it about-face, it is not the effect the development on the National Park that is important, it is the designation of the National Park on the site(s). (They've made the schoolboy error of mis-reading 'of' as 'on' (which I've picked out in red for you lovely people))

Lewes District Council argument
Mr Prescott completely overlooked the effect of the development on the proposed South Downs National Park. One of the reasons Mr Prescott gave for re-opening the Inquiry was that he wanted to hear evidence from the parties on the implications of a stadium for the new National Park. The District Council argued that it would be premature to grant planning permission at Falmer until the principle of the National Park was decided and its boundaries were confirmed. Despite specifically raising the issue in his letter and asking the parties to submit their views on it, Mr. Prescott failed to address it in his decision letter.

The Office of the Deputy Prime Minister Letter Re-opening the Inquiry
d) The implications for the application site and for any of the other alternative sites located within the Sussex Downs Area of Outstanding Natural Beauty of the proposed designation of the South Downs National Park.

 

[Normandy seagull]

what does this all mean?

 

[Ccider]

what does this all mean?

Plusieurs des issues ont été déjà discutées dans un fil plus tôt, et le fil inclut également une copie de la lettre d'cOdpm qui a rouvert l'enquête. Il est probablement intéressant répéter le poteau suivant au sujet du parc national pour soutenir mon commentaire plus tôt: citation:

À l'origine signalé par Curious Orange en fait si vous regardez l'argument à côté des mots de la lettre que vous pouvez voir que le LDC l'ont volte-face, ce n'est pas l'effet le développement sur le parc national qui est important, il est la désignation du parc national sur le site(s). (ils ont fait l'erreur d'écolier de mal interpréter 'de 'comme 'sur '(que j'ai sélectionné dans le rouge pour vous de belles personnes))

citation: Le District Council de Lewes que M. Prescott d'argument a complètement donné sur l'effet du développement sur le sud proposé avale le parc national. Un de M. Prescott de raisons a donné pour la ré-ouverture que l'enquête était qu'il a voulu entendre l'évidence des parties sur les implications d'un stade pour le nouveau parc national. Le District Council a argué du fait qu'il serait prématuré d'accorder le permis de construire chez Falmer jusqu'à ce que le principe du parc national ait été décidé et ses frontières ont été confirmées. En dépit de soulever spécifiquement la question dans sa lettre et de demander aux parties pour soumettre leurs vues là-dessus, M. Prescott ne l'a pas adressé dans sa lettre de décision.

citation: Le bureau de la ré-ouverture de lettre ministre l'enquête d) les implications pour l'emplacement d'application et pour n'importe lequel des autres emplacements alternatifs situés dans le Sussex avale le secteur de la beauté normale exceptionnelle de la désignation proposée du sud avale le parc national.

According to Google.

 

[Normandy seagull]

Merci Ccider je comprends maintentent

 

[Screaming J]

Thats what the public are meant to think!

What the downs lobby are doing is misusing a judicial process (designed to prevent miscarriages of justice when a point of law has not been complied with) to score a political point on who has the power to make the final judgements on the downs when the local parties cannot come to an agreement.

It is mispractice in itself, unethical and as waste of money.

Who are the parties that thought up this scam? Would investigations reveal further mispractices by the purportraters?

You Screamin J are being too f***ing reasonable! The plan has been subject to a propoganda campaign of lies and vindictiveness, spurious claims of quality in the site, misuse of judicial process, arguments of alternative sites designed to cloud the issue (Sheepcote Valley and Shoreham Harbour especially), and physical attacks on a local reporter (although, I cannot say I would not have done the same, it being a door-to-door salesman etc.)

PS; It is good to know that is perfectly OK to bash reporters and salesmen!

I expect they will regard the Lewes Council offices as their personal property and could be looking for an excuse to clear the chamber.

Does arguments about alternative sites designed to cloud the issue include those made about Pende?

I am not saying that what they are doing is right; I am saying that their petition is - at least in parts - couched in terms which may mean that it is not to easy to kick it out at the initial stage. If I am proved wrong (the discussions about the National park wording above make interesting reading) nobody will be more chuffed than I. But if being reasonable means trying to look at this without letting our own biases cloud our thinking then yup, you've got me bang to rights.

 

[perseus]

If Lord Bracknell is not guillotined, I am sue he has Press Release typed up. I would ask whether or not the LDC have a genuine point of law or whether they are using the judicial process as a political point?

The Judge will decide this anyway so it could be superfluous.

Who would want to be their political ambitions in the frame over a few acres of a ploughed field near a main road!

It is a bad tactics anyway from the downs lobby. If they want to stop the Telscombe sewage works, they should stop alienating people who would support their objections to this massive encroachment on the downs.

 

[Lord Bracknell]

It is a bad tactics anyway from the downs lobby. If they want to stop the Telscombe sewage works, they should stop alienating people who would support their objections to this massive encroachment on the downs.

If the South Downs Joint Committee respected the downs at Telscombe, they would comply with the enforcement notice served on them by East Sussex County Council and remove the disgusting piles of rubble that the Conservation Board put in place to barricade Telscombe Tye against traffic.

But that's another story altogether.

 

[Springal]

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[mona]

There are the points of whether they are aware that a lot of people in Lewes District:
1 are supporters of BHA and deplore the fact that the club's importance in the counties of Sussex has been ignored
2 will benefit from the stadium's facilities
3 with small businesses will benefit financially
4 do not understand why the needs of some Kingston ward residents are given such precedence over the other wards
5 fail to understand why a stadium is considered a monstrosity and the onward sprawl of university buildings and halls of residence is not.

Are Lewes DC acting responsibly towards a long standing local institution by the delaying tactics they have deployed throughout the dispute?

 

[mona]

Could this be made a sticky please?

 

[London Irish]

And they'll have the benefit of another five minute presentation from me.







Now ... what shall I say this time?

You gotta throw in at least one good Charles Kennedy joke

 

[London Irish]

Risk Management Implications

The best way to mitigate that risk is to make sure that everything possible is done to ensure that the action is successful.

I love this risk management assessment - it's basically the same risk management as a gang of criminals robbing a bank, make sure you succeed

 

[mona]

Lord B

Perhaps it is not such a good idea to argue against the nimbys on mainly financial grounds.

DeVecchi/Commin/Baker are wrong to oppose the stadium.
1 They have a chocolate box view of the countryside that is at odds with genuine environmental conservation.
2 They are giving a handful of comparatively wealthy people support and using specious arguments about downland villages when Falmer has been a suburb of Brighton in all but name for 30+ years.
3 They are denying the value of sport, for participators as well as spectators, in a large area of Sussex.
4 They have given the LibDems the image of an elitist, class-ridden cabal. I have voted LibDem in the past but their behaviour has lead me to oppose their party actively where I live.

With the demise of Charlie Kennedy, should FFA and Albion supporter organisations petition the new party leader about the endless struggle?

PS Would it be appropriate to picket this meeting?

 

[Brighton TID]

"7.2 The First Inspector had stressed the importance of retaining a gap of countryside between the built up edge of Brighton and the village of Falmer, so as to prevent creeping development into rural surroundings and to preserve Falmer’s distinct character and separate identity. Although the Inspector identified this as a relevant issue Mr Prescott has failed to mention it in his decision letter. "



What about the great big f*** off dual carriageway that cuts the cute village in two?

 

[Bwian]

"7.2 The First Inspector had stressed the importance of retaining a gap of countryside between the built up edge of Brighton and the village of Falmer, so as to prevent creeping development into rural surroundings and to preserve Falmer’s distinct character and separate identity. Although the Inspector identified this as a relevant issue Mr Prescott has failed to mention it in his decision letter. "



What about the great big f*** off dual carriageway that cuts the cute village in two?

I am getting very fecking bored with this continual misrepresntation of Falmer 'Village'. Frankly, it's getting on my f***ing NERVES.

They hope that if they keep repeating the same old shit all the time more and more people will believe them-and it's working to a certain degree.

 

[Bwian]

And please, I'm still awaiting the idiot's guide to complain about no response to a question under the FOI.

 

[Lord Bracknell]

Lord B

Perhaps it is not such a good idea to argue against the nimbys on mainly financial grounds.

DeVecchi/Commin/Baker are wrong to oppose the stadium.
1 They have a chocolate box view of the countryside that is at odds with genuine environmental conservation.
2 They are giving a handful of comparatively wealthy people support and using specious arguments about downland villages when Falmer has been a suburb of Brighton in all but name for 30+ years.
3 They are denying the value of sport, for participators as well as spectators, in a large area of Sussex.
4 They have given the LibDems the image of an elitist, class-ridden cabal. I have voted LibDem in the past but their behaviour has lead me to oppose their party actively where I live.

With the demise of Charlie Kennedy, should FFA and Albion supporter organisations petition the new party leader about the endless struggle?

PS Would it be appropriate to picket this meeting?

In the grand scheme of things, you're right.

But the argument isn't any longer about the rights and wrongs of having a stadium at Falmer. We've won that one - and I have no expectation that we can change the attitude of our long-term opponents.

The objective now is to get Lewes District Council to withdraw the Action in the High Court.

They might just possibly do that if we can prove that they risk exceeding their budget of £25,000. I think their Cabinet is in denial, but it is just possible that we can persuade members of the Scrutiny Committee that they should be asking some searching questions.

Quite a lot is going on behind the scenes, btw. More will be revealed during the course of the coming week.

And I'm not talking about Russian businessmen.

 

[The Large One]

Lord Bracknell

Curious Orange's point re: the South Downs National Park has not been commented on, and assuming that the wording from the letter he quotes is correct, this does seem to be a fundamental cock-up from Lewes. Comments?

The Office of the Deputy Prime Minister Letter Re-opening the Inquiry
d) The implications for the application site and for any of the other alternative sites located within the Sussex Downs Area of Outstanding Natural Beauty of the proposed designation of the South Downs National Park.

I would take it to mean that, because the SDNP public inquiry report has yet to be published, it wuld have been wrong for Prescott to take it into account as a factor one way or the other. Lewes, on the other hand wanted Prescott to wait until this report was out (Oct 06 it's due) before he made his mind up about Falmer? Would this be correct?