Leeds fan spot on?

[Tesco in Disguise]

has anyone let him know how his comments have gone down here?

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

Brighton is fairly unique. We pay a crippling rent, and don't make money from any match day concessions. What is more, match tickets cannot be bought on the day - we have NO walk up support.
Not to mention the club has no amenities with which to woo corporate sponsors.

Thats not the point I was trying to make - The point was with out Sky/Premiership money those players may not have been able to have been off loaded for as much.

Like I said in the orginal post, there is fair to much money floating around but to suggest that there would not be a knock on effect for the leagues below is a bit foolish.

 

[Wozza]

has anyone let him know how his comments have gone down here?

He can't be arsed getting into any in depth discussion.

 

[Simster]

How many have Bmuff?
How many have Brighton?
How many have Rotherham?

Chester are a bit different because they came up from non (ish) league.

But my point is that it is possible to cut your cloth according to your means. And Chester prove it, as do most clubs, I suspect.

What you're showing me is that some clubs haven't done so (& I think BHA are a special case).

 

[surrey jim]

agree with that

 

[Simster]

Thats not the point I was trying to make - The point was with out Sky/Premiership money those players may not have been able to have been off loaded for as much.

Like I said in the orginal post, there is fair to much money floating around but to suggest that there would not be a knock on effect for the leagues below is a bit foolish.

Erm, NO. You suggested that Cola Coca clubs would suffer more than Prem clubs, and I don't agree. Sure there is the trickle down effect, but it would hit those at the top of the chain the hardest. If Sky pulled out next season, Spurs would still have the problem of how to pay Mido's £2m a year salary before they could contemplate deciding on which 3rd division striker they were going to £1.5m on.

 

[SI 4 BHA]

Couldn't agree more with what the Leeds lad said. With a bit of luck the obscene premiership greed will eventually destroy the so called top level of the game in England.

However, there is another way... after the Brentford game, I was drowning my sorrows in a pub in Kew and got talking to a guy who was an Ajax Amsterdam season ticket holder. He said that when the Dutch FA first negotiated a national tv deal on behalf of it's clubs, Ajax, PSV and Feyenord were to get the bulk of all the tv money as they were by far the 3 biggest clubs and they would be on tv every week. Apparently those 3 clubs voted against the deal and they forced the deal to be amended so that every club in the top 2 Dutch leagues gets exactly the same amount of money from televising domestic football. Ok so the figures are much smaller than in England, but for this season apparently each club gets approx €4million.

Obviously the big 3 negotiate there own deals for european matches and arrange their own sponsorship etc, so they still have far more money than the other clubs, but it does show that football doesn't have to be dominated by greedy moneygrabbing scum, who couldn't give a toss about the "beautiful game"!

 

[Silent Bob]

Are you sure football was much better at a time when you pissed in a ditch at half time while watching shit players ply their trade along proper good players, who themselves earnt about 50p a week because of the maximum wage?

That is one extreme, the problem is that we have now swung to the opposite extreme.

 

[Garry Nelson's Left Foot]

The "real fans" as you put it, aren't important to the owners - or certainly nowhere near as important as a worldwide TV audience.

Anyway, I think you'll find fans of Fulham, Reading etc etc would LOVE a closed shop.

And fans of Spurs, Newcastle, Everton etc would LOVE a realistic chance of winning the title (again) one day.

MAybe. But we've seen with man utd when the glazers took over that even the fans of the biggest club have a limit. I think that if the premiership became a closed shop many people would lose interest. Why are reading, fulhametc desperate to be in the prem? Because it's the pinnacle of the english game. Because they've spent the vast majority(or in the case of reading, all) of their history outside of it. However, if it became a closed shop I think it loses something of it's eliteness. It's just the same twenty teams playing each other season after season. Where would the excitement be? Arsenal, chelsea, man utd playing out a title race? What about the other 17 teams? I think the fans would soon grow bored. Maybe it would give teams like spurs a chance of winning the title? But what meaning does the title really have when it's only being contested by twenty teams?

What does the worldwide audience love about the premier league? Top international players playing football in front of packed audiences. The crowds are packaged almost as much as the football. If the crowds go then there's going to be trouble. Maybe not at first, but eventually.

 

[Pavilionaire]

The Prem clubs would be hardest hit, for sure as wage costs would be impossible to finance.

It would be very funny to see players who had previously stuck 2 fingers up at their playing contracts to further their careers and line thgeir pockets then point to those same contracts to get clubs to cough up.

We'd soon find out about loyalty, as if we didn't already know.

 

[Brovion]

My fear is that any day now a Premiership chairman, because of the huge sums involved, will break ranks and say there should be no relegation, the view that has so disgusted people in rugby.

To be honest I would welcome that as it would bring things to a head. Who really wants to watch Charlton v Blackburn in February when neither can go down and neither have the remotest chance of winning the League? The Premiership would be as exciting as the old one division county championship in Cricket. Can't imagine that appealing to anybody.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

But then like you said it comes to cutting your cloth, and I think premier clubs tend to do this more - apart from Leeds it seems.

 

[Silent Bob]

But then like you said it comes to cutting your cloth, and I think premier clubs tend to do this more - apart from Leeds it seems.

How do they? Do you think that money made from fans would cover the wage bill at nay Premiership club?
What about West Ham's desperate spending in January, throwing huge money at average players in an attempt to get next years TV money...

 

[Simster]

That is one extreme, the problem is that we have now swung to the opposite extreme.

Yeah, but some of the problems he mentions have been around for years - there were overpaid, diving, thuggish TWATS prancing around in the early '90s when Leeds were quite good.

I would say that many of the problems are caused (or not prevented) by the incompetence of people running the game - whether that is the FA, UEFA or FIFA. Domestically, the FA and football league need to get their house in order, by imposing maximum ticket prices and clamping down on divers. UEFA & FIFA are both corrupt, and FIFA should be looking to improve the laws of the game so that diving and thuggery on the pitch are both reduced dramtically.

Oh, and I really couldn't give a toss how much players earned and I certainly couldn't give a f*** that a LEEDS fan is all a bit upset because his overpaid team are shit.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

How do they? Do you think that money made from fans would cover the wage bill at nay Premiership club?
What about West Ham's desperate spending in January, throwing huge money at average players in an attempt to get next years TV money...

They know if they go down a large number of the players can be off loaded and get some of the money back.

How many clubs would want Bridges from Hull if they went down?

 

[Brovion]

You can bet your mortgage that this will happen within 10 years.

The foreign owners - close to a majority already? - will insist on an NFL system.

And the rest of football will become like the college system which, in fairness, is well supported in the US of A.

The NFL works because all the clubs are equal. In order to maintain that equality there is no free-market in transfers, new players coming into the league from the Collegiate system go through the 'Draft' where the team with the worst playing record gets the first pick. This means that the balance of power shifts over time. And it works. Since 1992 when the Prem stated I think it's 14 different teams have won the Superbowl - that's nearly half. How many teams have won the Prem in that time? Unless you can get the Turkeys to vote for Christmas and get the Man U's etc to accept parity wih the Charlton's then a sealed Prem won't work as it will be too boring.

 

[Wozza]

MAybe. But we've seen with man utd when the glazers took over that even the fans of the biggest club have a limit.

And they made NO difference. And now foreign ownership is the norm (Villa, Liverpool etc), no one is even complaining.

I think that if the premiership became a closed shop many people would lose interest... Where would the excitement be?

Only 3 or 4 teams can currently win the Premiership. The majority of matches are of no interest to neutral fans. And worldwide TV money is still going up and up and up.

But what if there were 16 competitive teams? A genuinely open championship, with each team full of the world's best players?

I'm not saying it's right. But I'm saying it's going happen.


Edit: And Brovian, I'm aware how and why NFL works. I believe the EPL (yuk!) will introduce salary capping and possibly a draft system.

 

[Parson Henry]

And they made NO difference. And now foreign ownership is the norm (Villa, Liverpool etc), no one is even complaining.



Only 3 or 4 teams can currently win the Premiership. The majority of matches are of no interest to neutral fans. And worldwide TV money is still going up and up and up.

But what if there were 16 competitive teams? A genuinely open championship, with each team full of the world's best players?

I'm not saying it's right. But I'm saying it's going happen.

Can we not learn lessons from the way the NFL operates?

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

The problem with working the Nfl system is there would be less money for smaller clubs unless the league brough the players from the clubs then drafted them.

 

[Wozza]

The problem with working the Nfl system is there would be less money for smaller clubs unless the league brough the players from the clubs then drafted them.

The (mainly English) owners of top clubs didn't give a shit about lower division clubs when they formed the Premiership.

What makes you think that the (mainly foreign) owners of Premiership clubs give a shit now!?!?