[Politics] Lee Anderson goes full Oswald Mosely

[Thunder Bolt]

But there's basic facts you can't dispute. He campaigned for Remain in the referendum, fact. He argued for reform of the EU (the Remain and Reform position) because unlike all those EU flag-shaggers, he didn't believe the EU was perfect, which about 90% of the British people also believe.

Prior to the referendum, he pledged along with all the other party leaders to carry out the will of the vote, fact. He stuck with that promise after the 2016 vote, while a load of career politicians with contempt for democracy manoevured and chiselled around for careerist self-interest.

Disingenuous as usual LI. Nobody believes the EU is perfect.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

 

[jonny.rainbow]

Labour policy is to abide by the referendum. This is why some former labour supporters have transferred their allegiance elsewhere (I forget which of the irrelevant parties still vows to rejoin - liberals or greens presumably).

No party has 'scabbed' on their 'promises'. We have had 14 years of tory rule and no other party has had the opportunity to scab on anything. Starmer, the labour leader, has never promised to overrule the wishes of the people (and overturn the Brexit vote). There was a possibility to not leave the EU, prior to Johnson's ascendancy. After Johnson became 'leader' it was too late.

Your narrative is therefore partial and fanciful.

Except at the last general election when he was the architect of Labour’s ‘negotiate a better deal and then give the people a second vote on it’ manifesto pledge. The pledge that cost Labour many of the ‘red wall’ seats.

Labour set to whip MPs to back a Final Say referendum

Boris Johnson to make a second attempt to win MPs’ approval for his Brexit deal in the House of Commons

www.independent.co.uk

 

[London Irish]

Disingenuous as usual LI. Nobody believes the EU is perfect.

Good lord, that's exactly the point I was making - "as usual" not grasped

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Can you get to grips with any of the factual points I made or is it just laughing emojis? You are just completely ignoring the inconvenient fact that every political party PROMISED to honour the results of the referendum in 2016? Please reply and ignore this critical point again *insert laughing emoji*

Referendum only advisory. Good lord, Remainiacs learn absolutely nothing

The Referendum Act 2015 advisory only. Britain does not hold mandatory referenda.

Sir James Eadie (Theresa May’s government QC) admitted it was illegal in the High Court, and could be nullified if mandatory.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Except at the last general election when he was the architect of Labour’s ‘negotiate a better deal and then give the people a second vote on it’ manifesto pledge. The pledge that cost Labour many of the ‘red wall’ seats.

Labour set to whip MPs to back a Final Say referendum

Boris Johnson to make a second attempt to win MPs’ approval for his Brexit deal in the House of Commons

www.independent.co.uk

That's fine with me. Politics was f***ed then, with May having plan after plan voted out (by her own party). It should have gone back to the nation. This time with the referendum binding, and with a requirement for a 60% 'for' to pass (like when we joined).

Instead Johnson bulldozed a wanky Brexit that is still unfinished (e.g., Ireland). And now it is too late to fix.

I don't care that red wall gammon voted Johnson to 'get Brexit done'. I hope they are ashamed of themselves now.

 

[clapham_gull]

Disingenuous as usual LI. Nobody believes the EU is perfect.

Create a non existent counter argument and argue against it.

 

[drew]

The Conservatives are absolutely still a centre right party.... those further to the right still have their say of course, they still get voted in, but they are a minority.... if you think they are a far right party, you need to look at the far right parties across Europe... AFD for example, they are proper far right entities.....

You are seemingly following the vocal left social media crowd.. "if you don't support Corbyn or at least read the Guardian daily, you are a fascist"..... laughable.

Believing in a free market economy, free speech and have a patriotic attitude towards your nation, does not make you an effin Nazi.

They've moved considerably away from the centre right position of their predecessors. Heath, Thatcher, Cameron and May were centre right but never to the extreme of the current mob. The moderate conservatives, as someone else alluded to, were purged from the party by Johnson. The party is not facist but some of the really extreme members are bordering on that level, particularly the likes of Braverman. As for your last sentence, how is stifling the right to protest a mark of free speech??

 

[drew]

Oswald Moseley was anti semetic and wanted the integration of Europe into a single political entity.

Perhaps some posters on this thread can explain in more detail why they feel Lee Anderson has gone full Oswald Mosely, when Anderson voted for Brexit and is highly critical of the pro Palestinan demonstrations in favour of wiping out the Jews.

Perhaps his view of an integrated Europe was because he hoped that would happen under Hitler and in return for supporting that ideal, he might be rewarded with some form of office in the UK?

 

[London Irish]

The Referendum Act 2015 advisory only. Britain does not hold mandatory referenda.

Sir James Eadie (Theresa May’s government QC) admitted it was illegal in the High Court, and could be nullified if mandatory.

Another person who thinks it's fine to ignore the fact that every single UK political leader pledged to carry out the results of the referendum immediately prior to the vote.

And we wonder why so many people have so little faith in our political system and politicians more generally?

 

[drew]

Just don't agree.

Belief in the death penalty and a strong anti-immigration stance aren't enough in themselves to be using these sort of words

But they aren't his only two opinions though are they? Judge him on everything he says he believes!!

 

[London Irish]

Create a non existent counter argument and argue against it.

People of your centre-leftish persuasion flayed Corbyn for giving an honest answer to his assessment of the EU, which was 7 out of 10. A pretty reasonable score in fact, I'd take that for our midfielders most days.

They said he should have said 10 out of 10 to persuade voters to oppose Brexit. Those Remainiac arguments simply ignored the fact that the EU has very few starry eyed fans in this country. Telling people it was imperfect but worth saving was the way to win the referendum, because that was where the British people were at. But no, EU flag shagging had to be the way, apparently

 

[A1X]

The Referendum Act 2015 advisory only. Britain does not hold mandatory referenda.

Sir James Eadie (Theresa May’s government QC) admitted it was illegal in the High Court, and could be nullified if mandatory.

Point of order, referendums are mandatory when they relate to voting people into the Commons. So the AV referendum in 2012(?) was mandatory, but none of the others have been.

 

[jcdenton08]

Yes, but it doesn't necessarily have to be the tories

I can’t personally back the Lib Dems for reasons I’ve discussed previously. All the other options are extreme. Who else but the Tories? A strong centre-right opposition is needed for political balance in my opinion

 

[BLOCK F]

That's fine with me. Politics was f***ed then, with May having plan after plan voted out (by her own party). It should have gone back to the nation. This time with he referendum binding, and with a requirement for a 60% 'for' to pass (like when we joined).

Instead Johnson bulldozed a wanky Brexit that is still unfinished (e.g., Ireland). And now it is too late to fix.

I don't care that red wall gammon voted Johnson to 'get Brexit done'. I hope they are ashamed of themselves now.

Whatever the reasons for voting for Johnson were, one was the fact that his opponent was viewed as being totally unelectable( i.e. even worse than Johnson) to a huge number of the electorate . The people who should really feel ashamed were the bods who elected Corbyn as leader of the Labour Party!

 

[Cheshire Cat]

It's a bit late to reverse Brexit, even if anyone wants to.

What's done is done.

Would they want us back?

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Another person who thinks it's fine to ignore the fact that every single UK political leader pledged to carry out the results of the referendum immediately prior to the vote.

And we wonder why so many people have so little faith in our political system and politicians more generally?

All @Thunder Bolt said was the referendum was not binding. That's fact.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

It's a bit late to reverse Brexit, even if anyone wants to.

What's done is done.

Would they want us back?

Precisely, so beating up Starmer for some sort of nit-picky bolleaux is ludicrous.

Where's @London Pompous when you need him?

 

[drew]

Showing my age but back in the late 70's & early 80's we had an actual large scale Far Right/Fascist/Nazi/Racist problem. The National Front etc. This hysterical over reaction to anything to the right of the Guardian viewpoint is ridiculous. Fair enough people don't like different points of view but smearing everyone you don't agree with with these kind of labels is counter-productive. There are still some real Far-right nutters about but Reform ain't them!

Have to say I find that quite comical. So the right leaning press that are the cheerleaders for likes of Patel, Braverman, etc don't consider every one to the left of those extremes as the 'loonie left'.

 

[clapham_gull]

People of your centre-leftish persuasion flayed Corbyn for giving an honest answer to his assessment of the EU, which was 7 out of 10. A pretty reasonable score in fact, I'd take that for our midfielders most days.

And he does it again.

In terms of his debating skills there really isn't a plan b is there ?

Construct the opposing argument then argue against it. It's very very post truth.