[Politics] Labour reinstates Jeremy Corbyn after suspension over antisemitism remarks

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

I think his pants may well be on fire right now, as I type....

 

[JC Footy Genius]

What most also forget is that Starmer supported Corbyn throughout up until the election had passed, so he is not exactly squeaky clean

Good point, plenty of principled, talented Labour politicians refused to take on Shadow cabinet roles under Corbyn as they knew him well, knew his track record and could see what was happening to the party. Plenty more resigned along the way. Starmer took a different view and served Corbyn loyally and would no doubt have served in his cabinet if they had won the 2017 or 2019 GE. Which makes his forthright condemnation of the Corbyn years re antisemitism seem a little bit unconvincing/opportunistic. It reminds me of some people who bang on about how they don't really like Corbyn or his cronies but find excuses to vote for Labour hoping they win the election then rejoiced at his crushing defeat like it was what they wanted all along ..

 

[Chicken Run]

Good point, plenty of principled, talented Labour politicians refused to take on Shadow cabinet roles under Corbyn as they knew him well, knew his track record and could see what was happening to the party. Plenty more resigned along the way. Starmer took a different view and served Corbyn loyally and would no doubt has served in his cabinet if they had won the 2017 or 2019 GE. Which makes his forthright condemnation of the Corbyn years re antisemitism seem a little bit unconvincing/opportunistic. It reminds me of some people who bang on about how they don't really like Corbyn or his cronies but find excuses to vote for Labour hoping they win the election then rejoiced at his crushing defeat like it was what they wanted all along ..

Very good [emoji122] bows down

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Good point, plenty of principled, talented Labour politicians refused to take on Shadow cabinet roles under Corbyn as they knew him well, knew his track record and could see what was happening to the party. Plenty more resigned along the way. Starmer took a different view and served Corbyn loyally and would no doubt has served in his cabinet if they had won the 2017 or 2019 GE. Which makes his forthright condemnation of the Corbyn years re antisemitism seem a little bit unconvincing/opportunistic. It reminds me of some people who bang on about how they don't really like Corbyn or his cronies but find excuses to vote for Labour hoping they win the election then rejoiced at his crushing defeat like it was what they wanted all along ..

You are replying to a fake labour supporter using a trope I dismissed some hours ago. Do read the thread before adding to the fake news

 

[Hamilton]

Good point, plenty of principled, talented Labour politicians refused to take on Shadow cabinet roles under Corbyn as they knew him well, knew his track record and could see what was happening to the party. Plenty more resigned along the way. Starmer took a different view and served Corbyn loyally and would no doubt have served in his cabinet if they had won the 2017 or 2019 GE. Which makes his forthright condemnation of the Corbyn years re antisemitism seem a little bit unconvincing/opportunistic. It reminds me of some people who bang on about how they don't really like Corbyn or his cronies but find excuses to vote for Labour hoping they win the election then rejoiced at his crushing defeat like it was what they wanted all along ..

Not really. It's called keeping your friends close and your enemies closer.

 

[willalbion]

Hmmm, that's an odd thing to lie about.

 

[portslade seagull]

Still voted for them, doesn't mean I have to like their policies as I'm not on the left more a centrist

 

[portslade seagull]

You are replying to a fake labour supporter using a trope I dismissed some hours ago. Do read the thread before adding to the fake news

Not fake at all. You carry on though

 

[WATFORD zero]

Still voted for them, doesn't mean I have to like their policies as I'm not on the left more a centrist

Of course you don't need to like their policies or indeed Labour governments whatsoever, it appears

 

[JC Footy Genius]

Not really. It's called keeping your friends close and your enemies closer.

More like career over principle. Saying that, picking a fight with the Corbynistas is also good politics Starmer has correctly identified some of Labours electoral shortcomings ... viewed as too left-wing, antisemitism, unpatriotic. Giving the ex dear leader and his followers a political kicking helps in all three cases to show they are trying to change.

 

[PILTDOWN MAN]

Even a broken clock is correct twice a day (he says, feigning modesty) so, stand by for another cracker after chucking out time tonight

What’s this chucking out time you speak of?

 

[Deleted member 2719]

They don't know what their doing.........................They don't know what their doing.........................They don't know what their doing.........................

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Momentum clown on radio 5 minutes ago (it was the leader of Momentum in fact - plum), adding more powder to Starmer's gun.

The more these fools drone on the easier to is to disregard them, just like the tories by and large, over the years, with occasional incursions, disregard the Monday club.

The Monday clubbers, however, are reasonably disciplined. The Momentum monkeys are absolute mugs. The clown was asked just now whether he condemned some or other bonkers statement and replied that he didn't know the facts, yet he does know enough to defend Jezza. ****. Dinosaur. Ta ra!

 

[Jolly Red Giant]

Like it or loath it, the UK people (those who are interested in politics or who’s in government), seem to be centre right to centre left. Is that similar or dissimilar to the ROI? For all the deprived areas of the UK that might spring to your mind, I’ve witnessed it too, there are tens of millions living in varying degrees of comfort in suburbia.

The same tune was played a hundred years ago when the choice was the Tories and the Whigs - parliamentary representation is structured and designed to protect the interests of the ruling elites. Voting once every 4 or 5 years for tweedledum or tweedledee is not democracy.

I know Corbyn got 40% in 2017, his high water mark when up against a deeply chaotic PM, but that would include a huge rump of always Labour or always anti-Tory voters including many NSC’ers such as @HWT. Not at heart advocates of the Momentum version of Labour.

Corbyn's election as LP leader came out of the blue - a monumental f*ck-up by the Blairites who were so bland that they wanted a punch-bag to make the leadership election interesting. It blew up spectacularly in their faces. close to 500,000 people joined the LP as a result of the campaign to election Corbyn as leader and in its aftermath and - contrary to what Mellor said in a later response to me - it was not an 'army of student activists'. My family members and my in-laws living in Britain - all in their 60s - joined the LP to support Corbyn and his policies. The last time they did anything remotely political was 30 years ago when they boycotted the poll tax.

Starmer's version of social democracy is the best you’re going to see in the UK for now.

The UK is not a socialist Country but it may well be left of centre.

Starmer isn't a social democrat - he is a down the line tory - and the UK isn't 'left of centre' - it has two Tory parties - yet between 60%-75% of the population openly support socialist policies (as demonstrated in opinion poll after opinion poll).

A coup against Corbyn - he stood down after the election

Of course it was a coup - the fact that Corbyn resigned is irrelevant (although he should have dug in and fought the Blairites) - the Blairites spent 4 years attacking Corbyn, manufacturing fake scandals, repeatedly attempting to remove him as leader and doing their utmost to undermine his support among the public.

and yet another election defeat - or go for Blairite policies (without the illegal wars) and Labour to win?
What is the difference between a Tory government implementing Tory policies or a Blairite government implementing Tory policies apart from the colour tie they wear?

Working class people do not need pale pink Tories being 'tougher on benefits than the Tories' - they need the socialist policies that they support implemented and to do that a new mass party of working class people needs to be built in the UK (and in Ireland and many other countries as well).

 

[GT49er]

Voted back into the Labour party, but still hasn't had the whip re-instated - nice one, Starmer!

 

[Falmer Wizard]

Kier is hardly a Tory light , have you looked into his voting history & views. But yes you are right he is not an extreme lefty who prefers the company of Putin , various South American dictators & assorted terrorist groups . The country including the majority working class rejected heavily that type of labour leader even preferring daft Johnson to the Corbyn option . That should tell you something .[/QUO
Boris is likely to loose those ex Labour voters unless Corbyn regains a leading role again

 

[JC Footy Genius]

Corbynistas last stand or another Labour civil war brewing?

Mr McCluskey, whose Unite union is one of Labour's biggest financial backers, said he was "astonished", adding: "The continued persecution of Jeremy Corbyn, a politician who inspired millions, by a leadership capitulating to external pressure on party procedures risks destroying the unity and integrity of the party."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-54990506

 

[BrickTamland]

They don't know what their doing.........................They don't know what their doing.........................They don't know what their doing.........................

The irony of this post

 

[Weststander]

Kier is hardly a Tory light , have you looked into his voting history & views. But yes you are right he is not an extreme lefty who prefers the company of Putin , various South American dictators & assorted terrorist groups . The country including the majority working class rejected heavily that type of labour leader even preferring daft Johnson to the Corbyn option . That should tell you something .[/QUO
Boris is likely to loose those ex Labour voters unless Corbyn regains a leading role again

It’s so hard to say that 49 months out.

So many unknowns. Boris might not be pm then, Momentum and similarly minded union leaders might fight Starmer every step of the way, CV19 may be a distant memory, are we then in a recession or boom?, (seriously) will the millions in this country signing up to the anti-vaccs/pro Trump line of thinking be dead against the Labour Party ... the signs are that are for several reasons.

Through experience of calling GE’s wrong 6 weeks out, I’ve learnt the lesson that anything’s possible.

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

You are replying to a fake labour supporter using a trope I dismissed some hours ago. Do read the thread before adding to the fake news

Harry, it kind of intrigues me that people still characterize themselves as Labour or Conservative (or whatever) supporters in this day and age. One would imagine politics would be much more a la carte than the old days.You mentioned you still voted Labour last time around despite having little time for Corbyn. I would imagine there are many Tories who feel the same about Boris. I wonder if the rise of important single issues will break party loyalty down further. [MENTION=33329]Jolly Red Giant[/MENTION] sounds like he doesn’t much care for Starmer’s Labour Party. I just can’t imagine being a supporter of any party anymore which is reflected in my voting history. My youth was spent in the Young Socialists and yet at the last election I voted Tory because of Brexit. I wonder if being a party supporter is more a badge of identity than anything else ?