[Politics] Labour Leader would step down.

[jcdenton08]

why do you need charisma to be PM?

John Major and Gordon Brown were dull as ditchwater, seems like Boris fans like him as they see charisma there, and trumps the fact he's an imbecile

Major was resoundly trounced and Brown's tenure was a disaster, though.

I think people want to vote for a person, because none of the parties are exactly popular.

Edit: except Sinn Fein

 

[jcdenton08]

It's laughable though this whole situation. Starmer openly offering to resign, Johnson who has done far worse repeatedly and more brazenly clinging onto power.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Diane Abbott seems very interested in this matter, no doubt privately hoping he receives the penalty.

Telling you all you need to know about the enemy within the party, Momentum/Corbynistas.

Should Starmer step down, Nandy would be my pick as the next leader.

I heard the witch on the radio this morning, purring with excitement at the prospect of Starmer resigning.

Hopefully Starmer (or his successor) will purge the party of these traitors, or at very least leave them to rot on the back benches.

That said, my view (I am a labour member and ostensibly a Starmer supporter - albeit he is dull) is that until today Starmer has appeared to be weak and evasive over the accusations he broke the rules and I had hoped he'd have said 'of course I will resign if I'm fined' from the off. The fact he has said so now has however warmed the cockles of my heart. Angela Raynor has stated likewise so hats off to them.

Meanwhile Johnson is still waiting for the Sue Gray report before deciding whether he broke any more rules, with absolutely no word on whether he would even break his step, let alone step down, if fined (again). The absolute weapons-grade ****.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

It's laughable though this whole situation. Starmer openly offering to resign, Johnson who has done far worse repeatedly and more brazenly clinging onto power.

Honour versus dishonour. Simple as that.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

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The newspaper that spent the 30s petitioning for appeasement with nice Mr Hitler strikes again

 

[jcdenton08]

The newspaper that spent the 30s petitioning for appeasement with nice Mr Hitler strikes again

A lot of rags have very embarrassing and shameful pasts/have taken very dubious editorial lines. All of them, at some time or other. I'm not sure the public give a toss about the '30's anymore, they care about cost of living, the war in Ukraine and the current lot being extremely inept and corrupt.

The Mail is a paper I never read or buy as I disagree with most of the political editorialising but there's some absolutely dire stuff in most of them, which is why I use Reuters mostly.

 

[Hugo Rune]

The newspaper that spent the 30s petitioning for appeasement with nice Mr Hitler strikes again

I wonder how much they’d pay for any incriminating evidence on Sir Keir? Balanced against what the owner would lose by getting his nom-dom tax status ravaged if Labour got on power, it’s probably six figures plus!

 

[Is it PotG?]

The man stated in Parliament that BoJo should resign purely on the accusations.

Starmer had no choice.

This is all a big.punt by Labour, I have no idea which way it will turn out.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Major was resoundly trounced and Brown's tenure was a disaster, though.

I think people want to vote for a person, because none of the parties are exactly popular.

Edit: except Sinn Fein

People are mugs.

Major was OK. His colleagues, however, were animals. ****wit brexitters like Deadwood, and chancers like Shapps. Major's demise was due to his party behaving like sixth formers at a drunken school disco, not his lack of charisma.

Brown was a great wing man but a nervous leader. His failure was nothing to do with charisma, but down to his poor judgement, stubbornness and insecurity.

Blair was a great leader, but he had empathy rather than charisma. His leadership when Diana died was exceptional. You could see he felt it. Johnson couldn't have done that; he'd have been spotted five minutes after any emoting, backstage joking with his mates about how he only wanted to shag her after she got a bit anorexic.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

The man stated in Parliament that BoJo should resign purely on the accusations.

Starmer had no choice.

This is all a big.punt by Labour, I have no idea which way it will turn out.

Nonsense. It was on the lying.

 

[Is it PotG?]

Nonsense. It was on the lying.

Sorry 'H' , I just saw the clip on the box.
It was on the accusations, please get your facts right.

Still, if we're going down the 'lying' route, was Ange there or not?

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

A lot of rags have very embarrassing and shameful pasts/have taken very dubious editorial lines. All of them, at some time or other. I'm not sure the public give a toss about the '30's anymore, they care about cost of living, the war in Ukraine and the current lot being extremely inept and corrupt.

The Mail is a paper I never read or buy as I disagree with most of the political editorialising but there's some absolutely dire stuff in most of them, which is why I use Reuters mostly.

I'm not saying this is the only reason why the Mail is shit. But it's a great place to start.

The FeMail stuff always made me laugh - training young women how to be a docile housewife.

And the relentless campaigning for the tories.

Yes, other newspapers are bad, but my comment was about articles in the Mail.

Let's not go down the 'they are all as bad as each other' route, eh?

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Sorry 'H' , I just saw the clip on the box.
It was on the accusations, please get your facts right.

Still, if we're going down the 'lying' route, was Ange there or not?

Give it a rest. Nobody cares what you think

 

[jcdenton08]

Let's not go down the 'they are all as bad as each other' route, eh?

Out of interest - why?! They are. Unlike most I am apolitical as I've made clear, I enjoy being clear headed and willing to vote for right party for me fiscally and ethically each election.

I just think it's fair to have balance, because I can sit here and "like" one opinion with yours, or anybody else's, then disagree with the next one whether you are right, left or centre. I don't get emotionally invested in these things

 

[Is it PotG?]

Give it a rest. Nobody cares what you think

That's inclusive and open minded, thanks.

Maybe I should just agree with you.

Factually you're still wrong though.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Out of interest - why?! They are. Unlike most I am apolitical as I've made clear, I enjoy being clear headed and willing to vote for right party for me fiscally and ethically each election.

I just think it's fair to have balance, because I can sit here and "like" one opinion with yours, or anybody else's, then disagree with the next one whether you are right, left or centre. I don't get emotionally invested in these things

Equating Johnson's brazen charlatanry with anything Starmer might have done is false equivalence. It isn't 'balance'.

Tabloid new media works by creating equivalence rather than balance. They do it to keep the pot on the boil. And it facilitates whataboutery.

You don't need to be emotionally invested to be able to exercise some judgement.

 

[Weststander]

Same here, very intelligent and votable as well which is why Starmer side-lined her into the stupid "Check levelling up is happening" role.

Nandy came out very well after the Dec 2019 electoral thrashing. Humility, honesty … in bucketloads. A social conscience without a vote-losing bitter tone (Long-Bailey) or the lectern thumping monologues in a Nuremberg stye to the converted (Corbyn).

Very much required to win ‘middle England’.

 

[crodonilson]

Surely if Starker resigns the Long-Bailey/Burgeon dream ticket will be back on the cards? Lurching to the left.

 

[Live by the sea]

The best thing about Labour is Keir . He’s done a good job getting rid of some of the extreme loony lefty’s . Ie momentum members & many of the socialist workers . Hope he stays . Rayner would be a disaster .

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

That's inclusive and open minded, thanks.

Maybe I should just agree with you.

Factually you're still wrong though.

As I said, nobody cares what you think