[Politics] Labour has suspended former leader Jeremy Corbyn

[Rdodge30]

Sorry folks cant resist - governments dont have to borrow to fund public spending and the national debt is a meaningless concept both the posters here need to learn something about how the economy really works

That may or may not be true but when it comes to General Elections the relevant factor is how the economy is PERCEIVED to work and for most of us meagre mortals that will involve levying taxes or making cuts in order to fund spending!

Sir Keir is way ahead in the polls and long odds on in the bookies simply by being “not the tories”

He’s playing a good hand so far, offering no solutions to the country’s problems- why would he at this early stage? I’m sure we will know more about his plans after the conference.

It’s noticeable that Rachel Reeves the shadow chancellor is very tight lipped on how anything will be funded (leads me to believe she does have an idea of how the economy works) despite some murmurings from shadow health and shadow education on future plans. Nothing though from the shadow chancellor.

When the Labour manifesto arrives, it will have to address the cost of living crisis, the NHS, the teachers pay and the rest of the striking industry.

At that point Sir Keir and RR will HAVE to explain how things will be funded, if they quote what you have said here then we will more than likely have a Conservative Government.

 

[jackalbion]

That may or may not be true but when it comes to General Elections the relevant factor is how the economy is PERCEIVED to work and for most of us meagre mortals that will involve levying taxes or making cuts in order to fund spending!

Sir Keir is way ahead in the polls and long odds on in the bookies simply by being “not the tories”

He’s playing a good hand so far, offering no solutions to the country’s problems- why would he at this early stage? I’m sure we will know more about his plans after the conference.

It’s noticeable that Rachel Reeves the shadow chancellor is very tight lipped on how anything will be funded (leads me to believe she does have an idea of how the economy works) despite some murmurings from shadow health and shadow education on future plans. Nothing though from the shadow chancellor.

When the Labour manifesto arrives, it will have to address the cost of living crisis, the NHS, the teachers pay and the rest of the striking industry.

At that point Sir Keir and RR will HAVE to explain how things will be funded, if they quote what you have said here then we will more than likely have a Conservative Government.

Manifesto point Number One: Make sure that Grotty Alpaca Geronimo stays dead.

 

[deletebeepbeepbeep]

Irrespective of Corbyn it is clear that the current political classes are completely unprepared and unable to deal with the challenges facing this Country and it needs some fresh thinking rather than the status quo.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Corbyn gets a lot of grief on here but what you cannot deny is that under him the Labour Party became the biggest political party in Europe. So many people signed up, including me, that the finances had never been better. Donations from ordinary people not Russians and non-dom press barons. Now the party is skint! Well done Starmer.

I signed up once Starmer became leader. Are we about to experience the bizarre sight of a skint small party winning the general election?

How come the biggest political party in Europe was crushed in the last general election by the buffoon Johnson?

You have an odd take on success and popularity. Oh well. Never mind.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Really

I think you're confusing apples with pears! The closest we've had to any party winning a majority with only 35% of the vote (ie those that actually voted) is Labour under Tony Blair in 2005. In the 2017 election, Labour under Corbyn received 30.4% of the vote.

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Indeed. In FFTP you need to have a majority of the vote in a majority of the seats to win (I think the same is true in any system, in fact). If many people don't vote, then their preference is irrelevant. They literally don't count.

It doesn't matter if 75% of the electorate stayed at home. In this country you can't elect 'no representative' by not voting.

And so if you object to the outcome of the general election, once you have put your cock away after trying to piss into the wind, get out and mobilize so that more people agree with your choice of government next time.

Or simply accept that your opinion is in the minority.

(And that Corbyn was patently not the most popular prime minister of all time).

 

[Javeaseagull]

I signed up once Starmer became leader. Are we about to experience the bizarre sight of a skint small party winning the general election?

How come the biggest political party in Europe was crushed in the last general election by the buffoon Johnson?

You have an odd take on success and popularity. Oh well. Never mind.

An odd take on success and popularity? The largest political party and well funded at that, somehow equates to failure? Oh well. Never mind.

I have no idea to this day how Labour lost to the Buffoon, the same as I have no idea how he became London Mayor. Twice!

 

[Mellor 3 Ward 4]

An odd take on success and popularity? The largest political party and well funded at that, somehow equates to failure? Oh well. Never mind.

You just stick your fingers in your ears and shout loudly than under Corbyn the Labour Party had a massive membership (true) and lots of money (true)

Electoral wipeout and biggest election loss since 1935 equates to abject failure. (also true)

 

[Rdodge30]

An odd take on success and popularity? The largest political party and well funded at that, somehow equates to failure? Oh well. Never mind.

I have no idea to this day how Labour lost to the Buffoon, the same as I have no idea how he became London Mayor. Twice!

Labour lost to the buffoon because they had a worse one for leader.

Success in politics is winning

 

[Javeaseagull]

You just stick your fingers in your ears and shout loudly than under Corbyn the Labour Party had a massive membership (true) and lots of money (true)

Electoral wipeout and biggest election loss since 1935 equates to abject failure. (also true)

Was it? I thought it was the biggest Labour vote since the post war labour victory. Whatever, to put it down to one man and excuse the right wing of the party is wrong imho. We all know that there were Labour MPs continuously briefing against him plus the massive press propaganda. Yes I do know he never had a chance but hoped he might prevail. All in the past now but I just find it sad. Growing up we had free healthcare, the envy of the world consistently voted against by Tories. Free education including University and Council houses. All gone now but we have more billionaires and food banks than you can shake a stick at. Good luck people you are going to need it.

 

[beorhthelm]

Was it? I thought it was the biggest Labour vote since the post war labour victory. ...

no, you're just believing propaganda that Corbyn was the greatest leader ever and was robbed. largest Labour vote was Blair (or doesnt he count?), while 2017 Corbyn vote was very large he still lost to May. 2019 Corbyn shed near 3million votes and 60 seats (on a larger turnout). accept Corbyn was rejected by the electorate twice.

 

[Javeaseagull]

no, you're just believing propaganda that Corbyn was the greatest leader ever and was robbed. largest Labour vote was Blair (or doesnt he count?), while 2017 Corbyn vote was very large he still lost to May. 2019 Corbyn shed near 3million votes and 60 seats (on a larger turnout). accept Corbyn was rejected by the electorate twice.

Oh I accept it alright.I certainly don’t think Corbyn was the greatest leader ever, just better than any Tory! I am not trying to change anyones mind on this obviously, I’m just seeing the world change with the rich getting richer and bugger the rest.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

An odd take on success and popularity? The largest political party and well funded at that, somehow equates to failure? Oh well. Never mind.

I have no idea to this day how Labour lost to the Buffoon, the same as I have no idea how he became London Mayor. Twice!

You have to win the general election. Corbyn didn't. Yes, I know that Starmer hasn't yet either. But he hasn't failed yet.

The Mayor job is largely titular (which is unintentionally ironic . . . ). So Johnson couldn't do much damage, and took credit for the work of others. No change there then.

(Is this what's known as violently agreeing, or is it being in gentle total disagreement? )

 

[Javeaseagull]

You have to win the general election. Corbyn didn't. Yes, I know that Starmer hasn't yet either. But he hasn't failed yet.

The Mayor job is largely titular (which is unintentionally ironic . . . ). So Johnson couldn't do much damage, and took credit for the work of others. No change there then.

(Is this what's known as violently agreeing, or is it being in gentle total disagreement? )

The only conclusion I can come to regards Johnson is that most people are not interested in politics and some even hate it. I think it is their way of sticking two fingers up to the Establishment. There was that person interviewed in a northern town who told the reporter,”Yes I voted for Brexit. I f***ing hate that Cameron!” With attitudes like that you can start to understand the mess we are in.

 

[Live by the sea]

Starmer like Blair will win with a big majority . Why ? Because in simple terms he is an acceptable labour leader who isn’t too far to the left and has good business sense .

So the public in your country aren’t worried voting labour is going to ruin the economy or looney left policies will be brought in .

Starmer I think will make a good PM .

We have a far wider gap between republicans and democrats & it’s far more toxic .

 

[Wokeworrier]

Starmer served under Corbyn and did his best to get him into number 10 and had no bad word to say about him when getting elected as Labour party leader when it suited his career ... now Corbyn is supposedly not fit to represent the Labour party in anyway ...

 

[BadFish]

Starmer like Blair will win with a big majority . Why ? Because in simple terms he is an acceptable labour leader who isn’t too far to the left and has good business sense .

So the public in your country aren’t worried voting labour is going to ruin the economy or looney left policies will be brought in .

Starmer I think will make a good PM .

We have a far wider gap between republicans and democrats & it’s far more toxic .

The choice is, as always, Tory or Tory light. No much hope of anything else in the UK. Even after 12 years of Tory rule shitting over every day people.

Weird that there is still no appetite to try something different.

 

[Wokeworrier]

The choice is, as always, Tory or Tory light. No much hope of anything else in the UK. Even after 12 years of Tory rule shitting over every day people.

Weird that there is still no appetite to try something different.

Utter bollox .. at the last GE we had a choice of Etonian Boris or comrade Corbyn ..

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[BadFish]

Utter bollox .. at the last GE we had a choice of Etonian Boris or comrade Corbyn ..

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And was there an appetite for something different or did the country choose a total buffoon while Corbyn was labelled as unelectable and comrade and other dopey meaningless nonsense.

Like I say, no appetite for anything other than born to rule posh twats who don't give a toss about' normal people.

You love it

 

[Weststander]

That may or may not be true but when it comes to General Elections the relevant factor is how the economy is PERCEIVED to work and for most of us meagre mortals that will involve levying taxes or making cuts in order to fund spending!

Sir Keir is way ahead in the polls and long odds on in the bookies simply by being “not the tories”

He’s playing a good hand so far, offering no solutions to the country’s problems- why would he at this early stage? I’m sure we will know more about his plans after the conference.

It’s noticeable that Rachel Reeves the shadow chancellor is very tight lipped on how anything will be funded (leads me to believe she does have an idea of how the economy works) despite some murmurings from shadow health and shadow education on future plans. Nothing though from the shadow chancellor.

When the Labour manifesto arrives, it will have to address the cost of living crisis, the NHS, the teachers pay and the rest of the striking industry.

At that point Sir Keir and RR will HAVE to explain how things will be funded, if they quote what you have said here then we will more than likely have a Conservative Government.

I think it will be a document vague in hard facts, but full of happy generalisms. Protecting the NHS, giving young people skills and hope, housing. It definitely won’t promise anything on pay, that would be madness at that stage, why set yourself constraints?

The argument for that will be “we don’t know how the finances will be, until if and when take office”

No need when there’s a very healthy lead in the polls.

 

[jcdenton08]

I think it will be a document vague in hard facts, but full of happy generalisms. Protecting the NHS, giving young people skills and hope, housing. It definitely won’t promise anything on pay, that would be madness at that stage, why set yourself constraints?

The argument for that will be “we don’t know how the finances will be, until if and when take office”

No need when there’s a very healthy lead in the polls.

Exactly this. Just don’t f*** it up and they’ve won, don’t say or do anything stupid and keep it all vague. Don’t let your shadow cabinet say stupid things about contentious subjects on television interviews etc.

Don’t discuss immigration, defence or anything sensitive to the electorate. Go strong on funding the NHS and helping with cost of living/inflation.

That’ll be £2m as a consultancy fee, please.