Koran burning day ?

[Soton Seagull]

The burning publicity stunt is certainly damaging for the troops in volitile areas. Surely we've learnt over the yaesr that certain countries don't need much excuse to take to the streets & burn flags etc (I guess that's what happens in countries where the populus are bored and have no pubs to go to!), so setting them off delibrately is counter productive.

That said, religous fundamentalism is not soley a problem of Islam, there are also plenty of nutter Christains & Jews out there; amongst others. I find the fact they all claim their relgions preach peace; yet seem happy to shed blood for their cause darkly humerous.

 

[cjd]

The Koran isn't like the bible it's sacred burning this is like burning a person to them

I know...............it's really difficult to know upsets them the most. Burning the Koran, or stoning someone to death.

Decisions, decisions.........

 

[Bevendean Hillbilly]

Where will it all end?

Muslims wiping their arses with the Bible? Hindus drawing pictures of cocks on the Dead sea scrolls? Sikhs farting on pictures of Krishna or smearing bogeys on the Bhagvan Ghita?

Why doe'snt God just appear on a cloud and tell the dopey fuckers that he does'nt exist?

 

[patcham lad]

not to worry - just don't burn my copy infidel !!!

 

[Scotty Mac]

Wasn't there a law passed in the UK a few years ago about inciting religious hatred? Would that make it illegal in this country? Or is this law just for people that do it against specific people?

if you did it in this country, it would be illegal

in america they can use the consitution to justify just about anything, including school massacres

 

[GOM]

if you did it in this country, it would be illegal

in america they can use the consitution to justify just about anything, including school massacres

It is perfectly legal to burn any book you own in this country.

The reason or where you are burning it may make your actions illegal.

 

[Bold Seagull]

It may or may not be morally or ethically defensible, but it is legal.

What I object to is not the defensibility of the action, but those that suggest that he shouldn't do it otherwise we/they/someone will riot and start killing people.

We are indeed being held to ransom. The price is surrender of our legal civil freedoms in return for not causing trouble/rioting/killing, in other words extortion and bullying. Some may just think of it as taking the easy option for a quiet life, but as I said where will it end ?
We should not be bullied into submission by threats by anyone.

Why not? If someone were to walk down the street burning an effigy of the Queen shouting that she was evil, would you not be a little provoked into a possible violent reaction? I would be. Therefore the person walking down the street should be stopped. It is called civilisation. You have a right to peaceful protest, to freedom of speech, but that right is compromised if it is used to insight violence and to preach hate. This has nothing to do with being held to ransom by anyone, but has everything to do with living in a civilised tolerant diverse society.

By the way, I think you'll find such an act would be illegal in this country. (as per your previous post that I didn't see until this posted).

 

[The Spanish]

Will he be responsible if there are retributory attacks by muslim fundamentalists ?

if those retributory attacks are proportioned, ie burning a bible, then they are well within their rights and good luck to them. however blowing people up for mistreating some paper is a mentality that the world could certainly do with challenging.

 

[Cheshire Cat]

BBC reporting that the stunt has been called off
BBC News - US pastor Terry Jones cancels Koran burning

 

[Barrel of Fun]

The gun toting waste of space has backtracked.

 

[Billy Mays]

The whole thing now is getting even more ridiculous - if that is possible. Seems now that this pastor of a church with only 50 members claims to have got an agreement that a new site will be found for the New York mosque. All very bizarre.

 

[bhaexpress]

It's an inflammatory act , and no good can come from it

On the other hand, building a huge mosque near Ground Zero isn't a tad insensitive ? The good reverend had decided to call off his protest as he'd been told that the mosque was not going to be built however an he's now found out that this isn't true and so he may very well carry out his threat.

I always thought Christians were supposed to preach about forgiveness. Mind you there's something about North America that makes me wonder. My born again Christian relatives have a Pastor who has done missionary work here in England (believe it or not) and he's told them that within twenty years The UK will be a Muslim country, the tragedy is that they actually believe him.

 

[GOM]

Why not? If someone were to walk down the street burning an effigy of the Queen shouting that she was evil, would you not be a little provoked into a possible violent reaction? I would be. Therefore the person walking down the street should be stopped. It is called civilisation. You have a right to peaceful protest, to freedom of speech, but that right is compromised if it is used to insight violence and to preach hate. This has nothing to do with being held to ransom by anyone, but has everything to do with living in a civilised tolerant diverse society.

So lets compare the scenarios, the one in question and yours.

A small time preacher in USA burns some copies of the Koran, and there are worries that all around the muslim world that there be rioting and death to westerners because of it.

An effigy of the Queen is burned and the result is rioting in this country and other commonwealth countries around the world during which dozens of muslims are murdered.

Now, which of the 2 scenarios is the most realistic ?

I guess how much someone is incited is dependent upon how much they want to be incited, therefore one rule of tolerance and civilisation for some and another for others.

You are welcome to stick with your, Ooh sorry sir I won't do that if it upsets you, appeasement, and call it civilisation. Where will you draw the line before you say NO. In 1939 we finally drew the line at Poland.

 

[daveinprague]

'In 1939 we finally drew the line at Poland'

Yeah, we went to war to remove a Nazi occupation, and replaced it with a Soviet occupation.
The line drawn in the sand stood for nothing.

At the end of the day we are trying to find a solution to the differences between the islamic and christian world....trying to excerabate the problems by burning piles of the Quran is a bit infantile, and to say, it wouldnt be this idiots fault, but the fault of fundamentalists draws on the western thinking rather than Islamic thinking. Not all muslims are fundamentalists. Its been repeated over and over again, however burning their holy book is unlikely to keep all muslims onside.

This prize idiot is stupid enough to suggest that muslims should join him in his battle against fundamentalists. What sort of serial halfwit is he to think that by burning the Quran he will get support from moderate muslims.

 

[Scampi]

On the other hand, building a huge mosque near Ground Zero isn't a tad insensitive ?

Well thats debatable. But it's not a mosque and it's not at ground zero.

 

[Acker79]

On the other hand, building a huge mosque near Ground Zero isn't a tad insensitive ?

The whole "mosque at ground zero" is a misnomer. It's not a mosque it's a community centre open to everyone, it happens to have a prayer room in it. And it is a couple of blocks from ground zero.

There are plenty of islamic places, I think even actual mosques, closer to ground zero than this community centre will be, and muslim street venders providing halal treats closer to ground zero still.

 

[Stoo82]

Let me give you my theory.

A pastor of a Christian Church of 50 people is threaterning to burn the Koran tomorrow, the aniversary of 9/11.

9/11 was an inside job by Americas secret Government to control people through fear and to erradicate their freedoms, whilst making lots of money through war. By putting this guy of no significance on TV they are able to control people minds through fear by having him on 24h news channels. Why not just ingnore him?

The Louisiana Sinking got America in WW1, Pearl Harber got America into WW2, Two Destroyers were sunk in Vietnam waters got America into the Vietnam war (It later turned out there was no sinking and its was a total lie from the Government), 9/11 got America into Afganistan and Iraq. Can you see a pattern?

Again, what purpuse does the media have in showing someone of very little significance doing somthing so flamitory. Fear.

 

[GOM]

Let me give you my theory.

A pastor of a Christian Church of 50 people is threaterning to burn the Koran tomorrow, the aniversary of 9/11.

9/11 was an inside job by Americas secret Government to control people through fear and to erradicate their freedoms, whilst making lots of money through war. By putting this guy of no significance on TV they are able to control people minds through fear by having him on 24h news channels. Why not just ingnore him?

The Louisiana Sinking got America in WW1, Pearl Harber got America into WW2, Two Destroyers were sunk in Vietnam waters got America into the Vietnam war (It later turned out there was no sinking and its was a total lie from the Government), 9/11 got America into Afganistan and Iraq. Can you see a pattern?

Again, what purpuse does the media have in showing someone of very little significance doing somthing so flamitory. Fear.

Yes I do see a pattern

 

[sten_super]

I actually agree with some of what GOM is saying. I am glad that the preacher has been stopped from undertaking what was a pointless and inflammatory act, but but a lot of actions that the West undertakes/doesn't undertake to placate the Muslim world seem very much one sided.

As an example, presumably these people don't quite 'get' the irony of their actions.
BBC News - In pictures: Anger at US pastors Koran burning plan

 

[daveinprague]

I actually agree with some of what GOM is saying. I am glad that the preacher has been stopped from undertaking what was a pointless and inflammatory act, but but a lot of actions that the West undertakes/doesn't undertake to placate the Muslim world seem very much one sided.

As an example, presumably these people don't quite 'get' the irony of their actions.
BBC News - In pictures: Anger at US pastors Koran burning plan

Many millions of muslims are poorly educated mainly because of rampant poverty in their countries.
These people are going to be easily led.

Whats the Wests excuse?

If a 16 yr old Pakistani youth of limited opportunity sees foreigners insulting his religion, he may not use the same thought process as an 'educated'..... or at least, an individual that has been through a structured education system. He will be easily persuaded that the western 'christian' nations are attacking his culture and religion.

'Educated' Christians, particularly in the USA are fecking mentalists if you ask me, as their actions seem to be more for 'tv fame', power or money.