[Politics] Keir Starmer

[Raleigh Chopper]

Just happy it wasn't Bailey, that would have been the end of the Labour party.
Loving the blue rinse brigade saying that Corbyn would have made a worse job of handling the virus than Johnson, still protecting our clown PM, nobody knows what he would have done and it really doesn't matter.
He is not even the leader anymore to bring Johnson to account from the front bench.

 

[BLOCK F]

At the risk of violently agreeing with you that was the entire point of the rest of my post. There really could not have been a worse Tory leader for this particular situation. But Labour under Corbyn were ideology first and everything else second. Just as bad.

It really needs a "war government" led by competent medics and scientists but we won't get that.

Medics and scientists aren't politicians, but I seem to have got the impression that competent medics and scientists are already pretty involved with Government and all other agencies in fighting this awful virus.
Haven't you?

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Medics and scientists aren't politicians, but I seem to have got the impression that competent medics and scientists are already pretty involved with Government and all other agencies in fighting this awful virus.
Haven't you?

Calling @Dr No

Herd Immunity?

 

[NooBHA]

I'm with you here. I think Corbyn would have acted sooner, and made better decisions, instead of the "dither and delay" we've been subjected to

Indeed. All these measures announced to help the Economy. We are two weeks since the announcement and not one penny has filtered down yet.

These things take time I concede. That's why the decisions taken were all wrong. Simply because they are too Beaurocratic and take too long to implement.

 

[Palacefinder General]

Yes, but Boris was never defined as what was it 'metropolitan London Eton elite' by a large section of voters, to many people it was irrelevant where he went to school, whereas Starmer, Thornberry and Corbyn were seen as out of touch and living in a bubble by many, many Labour voters, particularly is the north and midlands.

‘Johnson’ please, not ‘Boris’. You call everyone else by their surnames and then call that odious idiot ‘Boris’ as though he’s a personal friend of yours, and on a Labour thread as well! Next you’ll be calling Tesco ‘Tescos’

Unbelievable.

 

[BLOCK F]

Calling @Dr No

Herd Immunity?

Sorry T.B.,you've lost me.

 

[Titanic]

Serious question... why did only 62% of the Labour party electorate bother to vote? More didn't vote at all ('none of the above'?) than actually voted for Starmer.

 

[shingle]

It’s to do with perception. David Cameron, High Fearnley-Whittingstall, and Jacob Rees Mogg are old Etonians and, whether they like them or not, people tend to think of them as public school poshos and quite remote from “us”.

Tom Hiddleston, Bear Grylls, and - several decades earlier - Michael Bentine are/were also old Etonians, yet the general perception of them is that they’re more down to earth and like “us”.

It’s all about behaviour and attitude, I think.

and whether it at all matters. Boris has had a privileged upbringing, educated at an elite school, but it didn't matter to the voters as they came out in huge numbers to vote for him when it mattered. Labour were wiped out across the nation and particularly in their northern heartlands for three reasons that are widely accepted.

1.Brexit position
2.People didn't like Corbyn
3.The party leadership were seen as out of touch by many in the Labour heartlands.

None of the above is really up for discussion. Its gonna be a long road back for Labour to be electable again and not just a change in leadership that some on here think. Putting things in perspective, other than Blair who was seen by some as Tory light and who I voted for twice, Labour haven't been elected since the mid 70's.

 

[Dave the OAP]

Labour supporting die hard going potty on the radio saying labour will never elect a woman and are a inherently sexist party. Wow

She has a point

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Sorry T.B.,you've lost me.

The first advice the government went with (from the competent medics) was take it on the chin and use herd immunity. They also ignored advice from the WHO to test people.

They then realised too many people would die. Now they are just fudging the figures by only counting those who die in hospital.

 

[NooBHA]

Just happy it wasn't Bailey, that would have been the end of the Labour party.
Loving the blue rinse brigade saying that Corbyn would have made a worse job of handling the virus than Johnson, still protecting our clown PM, nobody knows what he would have done and it really doesn't matter.
He is not even the leader anymore to bring Johnson to account from the front bench.

Shows how daft they are. Johnson can't even face down Press Questions.

He is hiding behind the virus. Extending his self isolation beyond recommended periods. It would be so simple to set up a Public Address to take Press questions by video. Other Specialists are managing to go on TV and answer questions while in lockdown.

The man is so full of sh!t. Yet he is a coward when it comes to facing down the people of the country when the going gets tough.

 

[Pinkie Brown]

When the sickest of their relatives are dead, when their favourite food disappears off the shelf, when they've been locked in for three months and when their life choices for the next decade involve either unemployment or high taxes the metropolitan elite will be the least of their worries.

Add to that, if the government persists on it's course of a no deal crash out from the transition period, the inevitable fallout will be the icing on the cake to the current economic damage from convid.

 

[Bold Seagull]

The first advice the government went with (from the competent medics) was take it on the chin and use herd immunity. They also ignored advice from the WHO to test people.

They then realised too many people would die. Now they are just fudging the figures by only counting those who die in hospital.

According to the article posted on the Good News thread from the British Medical Journal, herd immunity may well be happening at a large scale without us realising giving the asymptomatic figures could be far higher than anyone realises.

 

[shingle]

As for Boris, I'm indifferent about him, yes he's a buffoon but given the binary choice last December and compared to the other guy ..... well

 

[Blue Valkyrie]

I demand a people’s vote...

Another election already ?

*Not another one*.

 

[Wrong-Direction]

As for Boris, I'm indifferent about him, yes he's a buffoon but given the binary choice last December and compared to the other guy ..... well

Some might call trump a buffoon, they're both dangerous

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[shingle]

Shows how daft they are. Johnson can't even face down Press Questions.

He is hiding behind the virus. Extending his self isolation beyond recommended periods. It would be so simple to set up a Public Address to take Press questions by video. Other Specialists are managing to go on TV and answer questions while in lockdown.

The man is so full of sh!t. Yet he is a coward when it comes to facing down the people of the country when the going gets tough.

He's very ill actually. FFS. Blinded by hatred

 

[beorhthelm]

I'm with you here. I think Corbyn would have acted sooner, and made better decisions, instead of the "dither and delay" we've been subjected to

unless he changed the advisers as soon as in office, there would be the same advice, the same science and models, the same constraints and ultimatly the same decisions. maybe under a different leader this would be week 3 instead of week 2 of lockdown. we havent done anything much different to other countries.

 

[Deportivo Seagull]

I'm with you here. I think Corbyn would have acted sooner, and made better decisions, instead of the "dither and delay" we've been subjected to

Corbyn was completely ineffectual and couldn’t make a decision if his life depended on it. Useless.! A Waste of space who (sadly) made Boris look vaguely competent.

Fate was a real bitch giving us these two morons....


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[Thunder Bolt]

unless he changed the advisers as soon as in office, there would be the same advice, the same science and models, the same constraints and ultimatly the same decisions. maybe under a different leader this would be week 3 instead of week 2 of lockdown. we havent done anything much different to other countries.

In January, Matt Hancock had said in the House of Commons that the UK was "well-prepared and well-equipped to tackle any contagion" and that we "had a world-leading test for Covid-19".

Months not weeks.
https://www.lbc.co.uk/hot-topics/coronavirus/matt-hancock-stands-by-his-claim-uk-well-prepared/