Weststander
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[Politics] Keir Starmer
- Thread starter Machiavelli
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Well, yes.
But the Bath publican was talking specifically about Starmer's response to the pandemic, which is why I highlighted that bit. And your own extract does include:
"But that is not enough. A list of the government’s failings is not a reason to support Labour."
Nothing to say on the quote from Owen Jones though? A bit difficult when one of Labour's own poster boys is so stinging in his criticism of Starmer's performance, I guess. Let's brush it under the carpet.
Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
LamieRobertson
Not awoke
Still ...least things havnt got this bad....interesting comment about media coverage of this particular incident
https://www.activistpost.com/2021/0...-at-gunpoint-for-pumping-gas-past-curfew.html
https://www.activistpost.com/2021/0...-at-gunpoint-for-pumping-gas-past-curfew.html
LamieRobertson
Not awoke
*Gullsworth*
My Hair is like his hair
I will use an old excuse that has been used to pardon the current Prime Ministers shortcomings, inadequacies, failings & broken promises.
'The Pandemic is a period of time unprecedented & unpredictable in its nature, Starmer would not have done a better job than Boris he needs to support the government and stop scoring political points.'
So there you have it, the electorate do not want an opposition to a Bungling, incompetent, untrustworthy, corrupt government. A decent man will probably stay in opposition because the country will not see through the pandemics intervention pardoning the awful incompetence of Boris Johnson.
Albion Dan
Banned
Starmer is an absolute Whelk of a man. His only strategy seems to be say nothing about anything in any way that anyone will notice and just hope the Tories hang themselves in time for the election, The Tories have given him gift after gift, have actually stepped over all sorts of ethical (and probably criminal) lines and I can't remember anything from Starmer at all. We get the leaders we deserve and in living memory I cant remember any worse than we've had to endure this last 5 years on all sides of the debate.
Not trying to discuss this in huge detail because I don't really care what that publican has got to say to be honest. I was simply pointing out that the opinon piece you quoted was more balanced in it's criticism that it first appeared.
And I don't see Owen Jones as one of Labour's own poster boys, but again I can't be arsed with discussing that because I don't vote for them.
Like being HWT!
I think it is a real shame that Rory Stewart left the political scene. He seemed to me to be a principled and intelligent person with sound judgement who was genuinely in public life for all the right reasons. But like you say - ultimately, we get the leaders we deserve.
Nobody would have got everything right over the past 14 months, but I believe he had the skill set and the cool head required in a situation like this.
Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
Yet his partner in the same livelihood, is distancing himself from that opinion.
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I do find this 'show me the evidence or it can't possibly be true' line VERY tiring. Heard it from all sorts - pubs, theatres, nightclubs... The evidence is common sense... If you crowd a load of people into a poorly ventilate tight space, with their mates, for several hours whilst plying them with alcohol the virus is obviously going to spread. We know enough about the virus for this to be obvious, we don't need some stupid big expensive study (that're you not going accept paying for) to tell us this and the fact one doesn't exist isn't a sign of some big evil cover up or that the government is out to PUNISH your particular sector (I mean really?
In short, the landlord is a plank and those sympathising are no better.
Nobody is saying Covid can't be spread in restaurants and pubs but it's no more of a risk than any other business that allows people in.
Currently the Hair and Beauty industry can open fully - despite there being constant and prolonged close contact. Gyms are open despite them being indoors and many having very poor ventilation and with users throwing sweat around and heavy breathing - a big risk of spreading Covid. Non-essential shops are open despite the very poor social distancing within them. And then of course there is the ridiculous non-SD'ed queues of people going to crap shops like Primark for their £2.50 lycra leggings - still allowed to be open.
Yet restaurants and pubs - most of whom have very good processes in place for indoor dining - are restricted. The waiting / serving staff don't get nearly as close to you as say a hairdresser and they are semi-close to you for a much shorter period of time. Yet the government will imply, without evidence, that the hospitality industry is the biggest spreader of Covid. Strangely the last spike came after schools and Unis went back.
The government have said they are making decisions on facts and data ( not on guesswork common sense ) and yet they can't provide the data that hospitality proses the highest risk.
I assume your view would be the same if it had been Johnson he'd kicked out ?
Weststander
Well-known member
I like Starmer.
Partly based on a bitching Len McCluskey, patently wanting him to fail, so that his ilk can wrest back control of the LP.
A centre left government under Starmer would be fine.
But two big obstacles to that:
1. (Don't blame me for saying this, electorates are shallow) Starmer comes as too meek, quiet, unclear and probably boring to many. Manifestos should be the key determinant, but in reality personalities come into play.
2. Some premiers/chiefs such as Sturgeon and Johnson have come out of the pandemic appearing presidential, they've gained in the polls, poor pandemic metrics shunted to one side.
Partly based on a bitching Len McCluskey, patently wanting him to fail, so that his ilk can wrest back control of the LP.
A centre left government under Starmer would be fine.
But two big obstacles to that:
1. (Don't blame me for saying this, electorates are shallow) Starmer comes as too meek, quiet, unclear and probably boring to many. Manifestos should be the key determinant, but in reality personalities come into play.
2. Some premiers/chiefs such as Sturgeon and Johnson have come out of the pandemic appearing presidential, they've gained in the polls, poor pandemic metrics shunted to one side.
I did, and indeed do, have high hopes for Starmer, both as an effective opposition leader and a credible challenger to Johnson/whoever the Tories put up at the next election. And, I do absolutely agree that the period we've been through is not the time to be assessing his performance.
However, you can't blithely dismiss a Bath publican as some sort of crackpot when Owen bloody Jones has said the very same thing in The Guardian.
Political parties need to be led by visionaries who can engage with people and communicate a big picture with charisma and passion. This is why Blair won three terms including a landslide, whilst the 'hard to like' Brown (who was undoubtedly intellectually superior) got resoundingly dumped at the first time of asking. This is why Johnson smashed through the Red Wall, in spite of having nothing of any real substance to say.
And this is why Starmer would be a perfect deputy leader, but isn't really 'front man' material. He's too Brian May and not enough Freddie Mercury. He just doesn't have the star quality to appeal widely enough beyond his own base.
And this is why Starmer would be a perfect deputy leader, but isn't really 'front man' material. He's too Brian May and not enough Freddie Mercury. He just doesn't have the star quality to appeal widely enough beyond his own base.
*Gullsworth*
My Hair is like his hair
Thats like saying there is concerns about Starmer's performances in a pandemic while excusing the incompetence of the present incumbent becausee of it. Must swing both ways surely?
LamieRobertson
Not awoke
Two people with differing views in same business circumstances hardly surprising..not everyone reacts the same .that’s life isn’t it ..I was already aware of this clip ..shrug
As I said in that post I don’t agree with all the guy said but I can understand his frustration ...these little tours politicians make are all for the cameras ..this one because a bit more interesting
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This is an interesting article (and the author's response in the comments secton are also enlightening) regarding the right to refuse admission to licensed premises.
https://licensinglaws.wordpress.com/2013/01/04/the-21st-century-right-of-refusal/
Legally, the licensee (or his delegated staff) can refuse admission to anybody and is not required to provide any explanation or reason.
Starmer was told to leave and by refusing to do so committed a criminal offence
https://licensinglaws.wordpress.com/2013/01/04/the-21st-century-right-of-refusal/
Legally, the licensee (or his delegated staff) can refuse admission to anybody and is not required to provide any explanation or reason.
Starmer was told to leave and by refusing to do so committed a criminal offence
For sure.
This thread didn't seem to be addressing Johnson though, from what I could see when I jumped in. It seemed to be focused on Starmer.