[Politics] Keir Starmer getting constantly heckled in his keynote conference speech

[timbha]

Except the two party system means they have loads of time to be shit without any consequences other than they are party #2

Yep, and the more they in fight the longer they will be a very poor second, or third or…

 

[peterward]

Thank you.

If [MENTION=26594]watford[/MENTION] Gap is displeased that Starmer has not promised to reverse Brexit (I haven't noticed whether this is the case or not), that's fine by me. I can think of far more interesting things to speculate about.

It seems that the hard left hate Starmer and the hard right fear him, as was the case with Blair. Long may that continue

He has packed his shadow cabinet with hardcore remainers and he was one of the main advocates of ignoring the first referendum, so unless he explicity rules it out publically, I will personally assume that is his plan and that would affect in which box the "X" falls.

 

[A1X]

He has packed his shadow cabinet with hardcore remainers and he was one of the main advocates of ignoring the first referendum, so unless he explicity rules it out publically, I will personally assume that is his plan and that would affect in which box the "X" falls.

Quite hard finding many Brexit supporters in the ranks of Labour MPs. I mean who aren’t hard left nutter types.

 

[Tony Towner's Fridge]

That and the deputy leader's quite obnoxious comments are the main reasons, along with no real progressive policies, why they should be nowhere hear power in the UK. Spent force populated by lazy socialists, with no fiscal intelligence.


TNBA

TTF

 

[Pavilionaire]

Not only the media hung up on the Scum comment. I was disgusted to hear this from a politician and, worse still, her playground response to criticism of it. Whenever I start to drift a little towards Labour, something like that bounces me away again for another few months. Mind you, can't stand Labour's raucous squawkers like Raynor and Nandy anyway. It only showed Raynor's true self.

But Raynor is not in charge, it is Starmer who calls the shots. And anyway, virtually every Labour front bencher has distanced themselves from her language. She is their modern day equivalent of Prescott- a plain speaking Northerner playing to their core voters. He was Deputy Leader to Blair but had little influence on policy and she is the same.

 

[razer]

It's like no one with any morals or talent wants to go into politics.

Isn't that a prerequisite for the job?

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

Quite hard finding many Brexit supporters in the ranks of Labour MPs. I mean who aren’t hard left nutter types.

So I shouldn’t bother with them ?

 

[A1X]

So I shouldn’t bother with them ?

Starmer says he wants to make Brexit work. Surely as a Brexiter that is what you want, no?

 

[Ooh it’s a corner]

Not only the media hung up on the Scum comment. I was disgusted to hear this from a politician and, worse still, her playground response to criticism of it. Whenever I start to drift a little towards Labour, something like that bounces me away again for another few months. Mind you, can't stand Labour's raucous squawkers like Raynor and Nandy anyway. It only showed Raynor's true self.

Personally I think Lisa Nandy is far from a raucous squawker and would be an effective cabinet member in the next government but I guess we all see things differently

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

Starmer says he wants to make Brexit work. Surely as a Brexiter that is what you want, no?

Yup, but it sounds like you don’t believe him and I trust your judgement.

 

[A1X]

Yup, but it sounds like you don’t believe him and I trust your judgement.

I don’t know how he plans to do it but it can’t be hard to make it work better than it looks to be right now

 

[LamieRobertson]

I'm not necessarily a fan of him or his party but just let him speak FFS. Shouting from the back is a coward's tactic.

Yes - I know this will be in the Bear Pit by sundown.

Amazing not in the bear pit …good

 

[Bozza]

At least Labours conferences people are allowed differences of opinion unlike Trump lite Conservative get together where there is no dissenting just the clatter of knitting needles

Where "differences of opinion" means outright civil war, right?

Like others on this thread, I'd like to see a competent, functioning opposition worthy of the name.

I'm more likely to vote for Starmer than I am for Johnson, but that's not saying much as I'm more likely to buy a Crystal Palace season ticket than I am to vote for Johnson.

 

[jcdenton08]

In addition to my posts earlier, as a willing swing voter, I voted Clegg in the "I agree with Nick" era. He personally cost me over £20k with his lies. So Lib Dems are out completely for me and many of my friends, I'd suggest probably for life.

Please Labour, come good.

 

[BBassic]

In addition to my posts earlier, as a willing swing voter, I voted Clegg in the "I agree with Nick" era. He personally cost me over £20k with his lies. So Lib Dems are out completely for me and many of my friends, I'd suggest probably for life.

Please Labour, come good.

Yeah, mate of mine feels the exact same way.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

He has packed his shadow cabinet with hardcore remainers and he was one of the main advocates of ignoring the first referendum, so unless he explicity rules it out publically, I will personally assume that is his plan and that would affect in which box the "X" falls.

In his conference speech he explicitly referred to Brexit as not reversible, hence the quip from pot gnoodle about upsetting people on NSC, and the follow up conversation.

My main point was to question gnoodle, for mocking non-existent posters for their non-existent outrage at Starmer's 'new' stance.

As for the shadow cabinet, the first few are always a reflection of the past because disruptive change doesn't sit well with anyone, ever. Thatcher's first shadow cabinet was dripping with 'wets'. Blair, admittedly, had a decent shadow cabinet, with Kinnock and Smith having already seen off most of the hairy-arse brigade, although he twice included Michael Meacher who went mad later. Starmer even gave Wrong Baily a platform, till she conveniently machined gunned herself in the face a few weeks later by retweeting an antisemitic trope (or something - it matters not, she made her position untenable and has now vanished).

I am personally pleased that those queuing up to punch Starmer, presently, are old labour dinosaurs and worried right wing conservatives.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Where "differences of opinion" means outright civil war, right?

Like others on this thread, I'd like to see a competent, functioning opposition worthy of the name.

I'm more likely to vote for Starmer than I am for Johnson, but that's not saying much as I'm more likely to buy a Crystal Palace season ticket than I am to vote for Johnson.

Mate, outright civil war? Really?

I loathed Corbyn, but things have moved on. It matters not there are some characters sniping in the wings. Jon Lansman being sniper in chief. Have you seen him lately? Overweight alcoholic residing in Cornwall where he can't even strategise his ambitions on the local council.

My middle brother will go to his grave cursing the sell out initiated by Blair, quelled briefly by Saint Jeremy, then reinstated by the 'tory lite' Starmer. My brother has never neen a member of the labour party. You may consider his comments as indicative of civil war, but you need to be a citizen (of the party) for that.

Personally I love it when mad lefties lose their shit and are thrown out of the room.

And as others have said, what's a bit of dissent? The tories members, in contrast, include the likes one of my colleagues who, even 30 years ago was described in these terms: if her boss told her one of her kids had to die, she'd form a committee to select one. (She doesn't have any kids by the way, in case anyone is offended by that). Quislings and lickers. 'Call me Dave' the carey sharey Blair-lite tory PM a couple of years (only) earlier wrote the snarling nasty manifesto of man of the popple, Michael Howard. I'm all for pragmatism, but just a tiny bit of immutable principle would be nice.

Anyway, clearly it is people like you that Starmer needs to reach and he's obviously failing. Boo. BOO! Starmer OUT!!!!!

 

[Is it PotG?]

In his conference speech he explicitly referred to Brexit as not reversible, hence the quip from pot gnoodle about upsetting people on NSC, and the follow up conversation.

My main point was to question gnoodle, for mocking nonexisrant posters for their nonexistent outrage at Starmer's 'new' stance.

As for the shadow cabinet, the first few are always a reflection of the past because disruptive change doesn't sit well with anyone, ever. Thatcher's first shadow cabinet was dripping with 'wets'. Blair, admittedly, had a decent shadow cabinet, with Kinnock and Smith seeing of most of the hairy arse brigade, although he twice included Michael Meacher who went mad later. Starmer even gave Wrong Baily a platform, till she conveniently machined gunned herself in the face a few weeks later by retweeting an antisemitic trope (or something - it matters not, she made her position untenable and has now vanished).

I am personally pleased that those queuing up to punch Starmer, presently, are old labour dinosaurs and worried right wing conservatives.

 

[Bry Nylon]

Personally I love it when mad lefties lose their shit and are thrown out of the room.

This is always a particular highlight of the Labour conference and generally something you can set your watch by. It reminds me of being back at school when the problem kid who can't shut the **** up got booted out of every class before you'd even got your books open.

 

[Nobby Cybergoat]

Starmer has done well

What he really needs is a visible and credible front bench to take it to the tories.

Starmer would make a decent PM, but can't get there all on his own