[Politics] Keir Starmer getting constantly heckled in his keynote conference speech

[DavidinSouthampton]

Like you, I am a centrist although slightly left of centre. Treat people as you would like to be treated yourself.

Couldn’t have put it better myself

 

[jcdenton08]

And numerous opaquely funded think tanks....

Isnt Starmer a member of the shady Trilateral Commission? They all do it

 

[A1X]

Labour are really, really shit. I wish they weren't. I am desperate to vote Labour, I just can't. They are unelectable.

Genuine question, why?

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Blair used to get the same

Quite.

This is being sold in parts of the media as 'Labour Split'. This includes the BBC, with the Drive programme in 'overdrive' this afternoon, which is fine by me (but makes a mockery of the right wing 'de-fund' the BBC cretins).

Labour split? Far from it. Starmer gracefully saw off a couple of 'old labour' nobbers. Bring it on, I say.

The Corbyn/Momentum goons are so ill disciplined that they eventually get thrown out of the party or flounce off, like that housing minister toad, recenly. Starmer tolerates them, and even gives one or two a job, and they still misbehave. **** 'em.

As someone said on BBC today "Heckling the leader while he's recounting the death of his mother isn't a good look".

I am not in favour of Starmer purging the old trots. Just give them time to out themselves, then take action, if action is needed. Let nature take it's course.

I should add that one of my brothers is still fulminating about 'tory lite' Starmer who is needlessly 'persecuting' ordinary labour members. If Starmer's upsetting the extreme left and extreme right he's doing an excellent job I would say

 

[jcdenton08]

Genuine question, why?

They are in bits. They aren't a tour-de-force party like Blair in '97, full of new ideas and positivity. They are a party at war with itself, beholden to the unions. I don't want a socialist government any more than I want the Tories.

Their entire "campaign" seems to be "we don't like the Tories" without offering any actual solutions. The communication of the policy is shocking in this regard, some bizarre mutant hybrid of trying to appease the hard left while simultaneously undermining that with more centrist, electable fiscal policies.

It is a confused, Frankenstein's monster of far left socialist dogma, which Starmer has tried to blunt the edges of, pleasing nobody.

The party at its heart wants to be a socialist government. The public have clearly demonstrated they don't want that. The only way Labour can possibly win an election is a root and branch rebrand, a complete shunning of hard left ideology and to 100% endorse Starmer's move to the centre right.

As it stands they have absolutely no hope whatsoever of government.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Labour are really, really shit. I wish they weren't. I am desperate to vote Labour, I just can't. They are unelectable.

Crikey.

Tell me, who was labour leader the last three times you voted labour?

I am guessing you are not on a wind up, so some clarification of your reasoning would be much appreciated, so that at very least I can learn how to re-educate myself.

 

[jcdenton08]

Crikey.

Tell me, who was labour leader the last three times you voted labour?

I am guessing you are not on a wind up, so some clarification of your reasoning would be much appreciated, so that at very least I can learn how to re-educate myself.

Blair.

 

[DavidinSouthampton]

They are in bits. They aren't a tour-de-force party like Blair in '97, full of new ideas and positivity. They are a party at war with itself, beholden to the unions. I don't want a socialist government any more than I want the Tories.

Their entire "campaign" seems to be "we don't like the Tories" without offering any actual solutions. The communication of the policy is shocking in this regard, some bizarre mutant hybrid of trying to appease the hard left while simultaneously undermining that with more centrist, electable fiscal policies.

It is a confused, Frankenstein's monster of far left socialist dogma, which Starmer has tried to blunt the edges of, pleasing nobody.

The party at its heart wants to be a socialist government. The public have clearly demonstrated they don't want that. The only way Labour can possibly win an election is a root and branch rebrand, a complete shunning of hard left ideology and to 100% endorse Starmer's move to the centre right.

As it stands they have absolutely no hope whatsoever of government.

From that, I would presume that you didn’t listen to his speech today. If you did, you interpreted it all very differently to how I did.

 

[Bakero]

Funny that elderly people who have witnessed both Labour and Conservative governments over their long lives choose unreservedly to return the Conservatives. Bit of a message there.

Elderly people listen to Michael Bublé and think going to the garden centre is a day out. You can't trust elderly people.

 

[HH Brighton]

They are in bits. They aren't a tour-de-force party like Blair in '97, full of new ideas and positivity. They are a party at war with itself, beholden to the unions. I don't want a socialist government any more than I want the Tories.

Their entire "campaign" seems to be "we don't like the Tories" without offering any actual solutions. The communication of the policy is shocking in this regard, some bizarre mutant hybrid of trying to appease the hard left while simultaneously undermining that with more centrist, electable fiscal policies.

It is a confused, Frankenstein's monster of far left socialist dogma, which Starmer has tried to blunt the edges of, pleasing nobody.

The party at its heart wants to be a socialist government. The public have clearly demonstrated they don't want that. The only way Labour can possibly win an election is a root and branch rebrand, a complete shunning of hard left ideology and to 100% endorse Starmer's move to the centre right.

As it stands they have absolutely no hope whatsoever of government.

Lets be honest your never going to vote Labour, you show a complete misunderstanding of whats on offer,

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

They are in bits. They aren't a tour-de-force party like Blair in '97, full of new ideas and positivity. They are a party at war with itself, beholden to the unions. I don't want a socialist government any more than I want the Tories.

Their entire "campaign" seems to be "we don't like the Tories" without offering any actual solutions. The communication of the policy is shocking in this regard, some bizarre mutant hybrid of trying to appease the hard left while simultaneously undermining that with more centrist, electable fiscal policies.

It is a confused, Frankenstein's monster of far left socialist dogma, which Starmer has tried to blunt the edges of, pleasing nobody.

The party at its heart wants to be a socialist government. The public have clearly demonstrated they don't want that. The only way Labour can possibly win an election is a root and branch rebrand, a complete shunning of hard left ideology and to 100% endorse Starmer's move to the centre right.

As it stands they have absolutely no hope whatsoever of government.

Did you vote for Blair?

Did you rejoice at the passing of Corbyn?

I did both and I'm very pleased with today's conference speech and have hopes for labour going forward.

I presume you didn't listen to Starmer's conference speech then?

 

[maltaseagull]

From that, I would presume that you didn’t listen to his speech today. If you did, you interpreted it all very differently to how I did.

Moving on to policies, he announced that a Labour government would upgrade 19 million homes so that they reach a minimum "Band-C" energy efficiency level, providing grants for low-income households to achieve this and low-interest loans for others.

The changes would include better insulation, double glazing and new heating systems, saving households £400 a year in bills on average, he promised.

Other pledges in the speech included:

Providing mental treatment within a month for all people in England who require it
Creating 8,500 more specialist mental health staff, providing an extra million people a year with help
Training "thousands" of extra teachers in England - his aides did not provide a more specific figure



What was missing, as always, was how this would be funded.

How about tax "the rich" for a change?

 

[jcdenton08]

Did you vote for Blair?

Did you rejoice at the passing of Corbyn?

I did both and I'm very pleased with today's conference speach and have hopes for labour going forward.

I presume you didn't listen to Starmer's conference speach then?

I did both of those things and yes, I listened to the speech. What I heard did not make me even consider voting Labour for the reasons I've stated.

I'm also hopeful going forward, as this country needs a proper opposition to hold the government responsible for some of their dreadful policies.

 

[banjo]

I really want him to do well. We need an opposition.

 

[jcdenton08]

Lets be honest your never going to vote Labour, you show a complete misunderstanding of whats on offer,

I'd love to vote Labour. What I want is a centrist government. A common sense, fair government. Tories are too far right, Labour's core is too far left. I've voted Labour before and would do so again, if they put together a campaign which has a hope in hell of winning.

 

[JC Footy Genius]

Did you vote for Blair?

Did you rejoice at the passing of Corbyn?

I did both and I'm very pleased with today's conference speach and have hopes for labour going forward.

I presume you didn't listen to Starmer's conference speach then?

That should read ...

I voted Labour under Blair

I voted Labour under Corbyn

I will always find an excuse to vote for anything wearing a red rosette [emoji14]

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[Neville's Breakfast]

Moving on to policies, he announced that a Labour government would upgrade 19 million homes so that they reach a minimum "Band-C" energy efficiency level, providing grants for low-income households to achieve this and low-interest loans for others.

The changes would include better insulation, double glazing and new heating systems, saving households £400 a year in bills on average, he promised.

Other pledges in the speech included:

Providing mental treatment within a month for all people in England who require it
Creating 8,500 more specialist mental health staff, providing an extra million people a year with help
Training "thousands" of extra teachers in England - his aides did not provide a more specific figure



What was missing, as always, was how this would be funded.

How about tax "the rich" for a change?

Unfortunately that one misses the target. A big part of the retention problem in teaching is the training itself.

 

[Stumpy Tim]

I watched some of his speech today, and liked what he said. He would have expected the heckling, and responded well. He isn't Blair as he doesn't have the personality, but he would be an excellent PM.

As an aside, [MENTION=12475]jcdenton08[/MENTION] is exactly the type of voter who Labour need to win over. Has voted Labour in the past, but needs persuasion to do so again.

 

[Deleted member 2719]

Embarrassing for him, but it is also boring up to now, especially the family bit, but he seems to be getting going now.
He may not have charisma, but in the same way I don't want jokes and ruffled hair, I just want results and a vast improvement from the car crash country that we live in.
Strange the way that political parties shoot themselves in the foot either in or out of Government.

If you want to make a difference why don't you get off your arse and do it?

Same old moan moan moan, he is an idiot she is an idiot, in fact, everyone is an idiot.

Talk about one-trick ponies.

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

Lets be honest your never going to vote Labour, you show a complete misunderstanding of whats on offer,

When you start looking outwards rather than inwards you will have a chance. Can you do it though ?