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[jcdenton08]

I think we should start to take the names of all the climate cynic and skeptics for a future date when we can ask them what in gods names they were thinking about.

People now know that climate change is affecting our biodiversity. They know it is killing people. If they are persisting in attacking JSO rather than government and business policy, we need to know why.

And if someone does tragically die because an ambulance is delayed, then we can add their name to the 12,000 others claimed by climate change this year.

So for the two seconds it takes to step out of the way and let a potentially dying baby through, it is not worth the effort because “sod it, we are all going to die anyway”?

This is downright psychopathic thinking and a deeply concerning thing to read.

 

[BadFish]

It’s been said repeatedly on this thread and elsewhere — the problem is that there is no upsurge in discourse about the serious climate issues. The protesters' meanness and aggression has become a massive distraction away from the underlying cause.

And "no such thing as bad publicity" is patently untrue.

Well looks like we'll have to disagree on this one.

For me they are keeping the issue in the public eye and around that discussion is being had. Obviously there is also the dissenting voices that go along with that but they just add to the noise.

The press report on these people and ignore other protests. So this lot will carry on.

 

[Colonel Mustard]

Well looks like we'll have to disagree on this one.

For me they are keeping the issue in the public eye and around that discussion is being had. Obviously there is also the dissenting voices that go along with that but they just add to the noise.

The press report on these people and ignore other protests. So this lot will carry on.

Fair enough. 'Agree to disagree' and all that.

 

[Hamilton]

So for the two seconds it takes to step out of the way and let a potentially dying baby through, it is not worth the effort because “sod it, we are all going to die anyway”?

This is downright psychopathic thinking and a deeply concerning thing to read.

No it’s not. It’s logic.

And you prove your disingenuous nature by choosing to up the hyperbole and ignore my original point that any death is tragic. But I doubt any of us is surprised.

 

[jcdenton08]

No it’s not. It’s logic.

And you prove your disingenuous nature by choosing to up the hyperbole and ignore my original point that any death is tragic. But I doubt any of us is surprised.

Are you trolling? If you’re serious we’ll leave it there, but it’s so unhinged it reads like parody. Wouldn’t be the first time I’ve been taken in by obvious bait.

 

[Hamilton]

Are you trolling? If you’re serious we’ll leave it there, but it’s so unhinged it reads like parody. Wouldn’t be the first time I’ve been taken in by obvious bait.

If you don’t understand that climate change is already causing excess deaths and will only continue to do so, then you clearly have no grasp of the issue.

However, you appear to enjoy distracting people and publishing deliberately obtuse posts in an attempt to confuse. It’s your stock in trade on here and you should be held accountable for that.

Trolling! Ridiculous!

 

[birthofanorange]

And if someone does tragically die because an ambulance is delayed, then we can add their name to the 12,000 others claimed by climate change this year.

If you don’t understand that climate change is already causing excess deaths and will only continue to do so, then you clearly have no grasp of the issue.

However, you appear to enjoy distracting people and publishing deliberately obtuse posts in an attempt to confuse. It’s your stock in trade on here and you should be held accountable for that.

Trolling! Ridiculous!

Tbh, I think we are (mostly) all aware of the impact of climate change on us all, but to agree (at least in principle) with the concept of potentially blocking an ambulance containing a patient in a life-threatening condition is absolutely abhorrent.
If you would be happy for that to be your mother, father, son, daughter, etc., then fair play to you.
However, I somewhat doubt it.

 

[abc]

If you don’t understand that climate change is already causing excess deaths and will only continue to do so, then you clearly have no grasp of the issue.

However, you appear to enjoy distracting people and publishing deliberately obtuse posts in an attempt to confuse. It’s your stock in trade on here and you should be held accountable for that.

Trolling! Ridiculous!

Nothing obtuse about his/her post. You have clearly inferred that you think its OK if people die as a result of climate change protests. That's pretty sick

 

[Hamilton]

Nothing obtuse about his/her post. You have clearly inferred that you think its OK if people die as a result of climate change protests. That's pretty sick

You’ll need to point out where I have either inferred or said that it is ok to obstruct ambulances.

 

[birthofanorange]

You’ll need to point out where I have either inferred or said that it is ok to obstruct ambulances.

It certainly doesn't look as though you're opposed to it.

" And if someone does tragically die because an ambulance is delayed, then we can add their name to the 12,000 others claimed by climate change this year."

 

[Hamilton]

Tbh, I think we are (mostly) all aware of the impact of climate change on us all, but to agree (at least in principle) with the concept of potentially blocking an ambulance containing a patient in a life-threatening condition is absolutely abhorrent.
If you would be happy for that to be your mother, father, son, daughter, etc., then fair play to you.
However, I somewhat doubt it.

Again, you’ll need to point out where I have said that is ok.

What I’ve said is that disruptive action is now required to bring about change. We will not change without it. Alongside lobbying it may just - may - avert disaster.

And all the while we don’t call out people on this thread who use underhand tactics to undermine change, we’re guilty.

People are already dying due to climate change in their 1000s. Would you like your parents, son, daughter, partner to be one of them?

 

[Hamilton]

It certainly doesn't look as though you're opposed to it.

" And if someone does tragically die because an ambulance is delayed, then we can add their name to the 12,000 others claimed by climate change this year."

How have you drawn the conclusion that I support ambulances being obstructed from that?

You’re brighter than that.

 

[jcdenton08]

“And if someone does tragically die because an ambulance is delayed, then we can add their name to the 12,000 others claimed by climate change this year.”

This is in response to a newborn baby being taken for hospital care.

You could just apologise, realise what you said was pretty shameful, and we’ll all move on, hopefully with lessons learned.

 

[birthofanorange]

Again, you’ll need to point out where I have said that is ok.

What I’ve said is that disruptive action is now required to bring about change. We will not change without it. Alongside lobbying it may just - may - avert disaster.

And all the while we don’t call out people on this thread who use underhand tactics to undermine change, we’re guilty.

People are already dying due to climate change in their 1000s. Would you like your parents, son, daughter, partner to be one of them?

Of course not, but you're preaching to the converted.
However, I would not tolerate someone blocking an ambulance, deliberately, which contained a member of my family - in fact, I'd probably mow them down.
If you are happy for a member of your family to be placed in that position, good on you.
Would you?

 

[birthofanorange]

How have you drawn the conclusion that I support ambulances being obstructed from that?

You’re brighter than that.

There's a difference to supporting something and being opposed to it - to which camp do you belong?

 

[Colonel Mustard]

What I’ve said is that disruptive action is now required to bring about change. We will not change without it.

This is the fundamental point of disagreement on this discussion. For some, disruption is a 'requirement' for progress. For others, it's an infuriating distraction. Not sure how we resolve this.

 

[birthofanorange]

This is the fundamental point of disagreement on this discussion. For some, disruption is a 'requirement' for progress. For others, it's an infuriating distraction. Not sure how we resolve this.

I fully support disruptive action - let me be clear on this.
I do draw the line at deliberately, willingly and ridiculously blocking people from gaining help in life-threatening situations.
It's quite simple, really.

 

[Hamilton]

Of course not, but you're preaching to the converted.
However, I would not tolerate someone blocking an ambulance, deliberately, which contained a member of my family - in fact, I'd probably mow them down.
If you are happy for a member of your family to be placed in that position, good on you.
Would you?

Ok, let me be 100% clear.

I don’t support obstructing ambulances.

I do support direct action.

If through the consequences of direct action an ambulance was delayed causing the death of a loved one I would be devastated due to my loss.

Would it stop me supporting direct action? No.

Why?

Because the consequences for my loved ones if we do not address climate change are devastating in themselves.

JSO and Insulate Britain have done more to put this on the agenda than most.

Organizers of direct action groups have also made clear that they work with emergency services to ensure they can go about their business.

If you want to stand by and not support those brave enough to risk imprisonment on our behalf then that’s your call, but history has shown that the human race has been unable to organise itself to do something about the catastrophe that we face.

Hopefully that’s clear enough and you can start to focus more on the posters here who love distracting everyone.

More and more people will die every year now due to climate change. At this rate, worrying about whether an ambulance will get through will be the least of our grandchildren’s concerns.*

*look out for someone using this para to claim that I support obstructing ambulances.

#Don’tLookUp

 

[birthofanorange]

Ok, let me be 100% clear.

I don’t support obstructing ambulances.

I do support direct action.

If through the consequences of direct action an ambulance was delayed causing the death of a loved one I would be devastated due to my loss.

Would it stop me supporting direct action? No.

Why?

Because the consequences for my loved ones if we do not address climate change are devastating in themselves.

JSO and Insulate Britain have done more to put this on the agenda than most.

Organizers of direct action groups have also made clear that they work with emergency services to ensure they can go about their business.

If you want to stand by and not support those brave enough to risk imprisonment on our behalf then that’s your call, but history has shown that the human race has been unable to organise itself to do something about the catastrophe that we face.

Hopefully that’s clear enough and you can start to focus more on the posters here who love distracting everyone.

More and more people will die every year now due to climate change. At this rate, worrying about whether an ambulance will get through will be the least of our grandchildren’s concerns.*

*look out for someone using this para to claim that I support obstructing ambulances.

#Don’tLookUp

Look, I'm 99% in agreement, so no need to be so defensive.
What I am asking (and I thought I had already done so, clearly) is:
Do you agree that it is okay to refuse to move out of the way, when faced with an ambulance/car/whatever, containing someone who is in a life-threatening situation?

 

[Pavilionaire]

It's clear JSO have changed their tactics from blocking main roads to incidential protest at high profile events. The way i see it, I would be worried about mankind if we are this close the the environmental tipping point and there were no visible, meaningful protest. My sympathies are with JSO.

We just need to pollute less as individuals, familiies, communities, countries. It should be a central consideration in the major decisions we take. We could all do more.