Joel Lynch

[trueblue]

Mickey Adams, whatever my feelings about his managerial talents, is most certainly not anything but straight up imo.

Well... who would you rather believe?

The man who transformed us from a borderline non-league outfit and laid the groundwork for all the success that's followed..

Or a flaky, always-injured centre back with an overblown sense of his importance to the squad...

I know which one I'd prefer to keep.

 

[Gritt23]

That just doesn't make sense to me. Why, when he clearly has a chance of a run in the side ahead of him would he say "Naaah, I don't think so actually."

That isn't the full story, it can't be.[/QUOTE

So you're calling Micky Adams a liar?

No, I'm just saying that he hasn't told us everything. No quotes from Lynch about it, just MA, quite possibly picking out a couple of events and ignoring something else that happened between them that day.

"Your playing on Saturday - God f***ing help us - so how about you put some pissing effort in eh lad?"

"Oh f*** you gaffer, I put in more effort thn anyone and you still don't pick me."

"If that's your attitude, you won't get in the side on Saturday ......."

Not saying that is what happened, but MA has undoubtedly given us a heavily edited version of events.

 

[trueblue]

No, I'm just saying that he hasn't told us everything. No quotes from Lynch about it, just MA, quite possibly picking out a couple of events and ignoring something else that happened between them that day.

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Well, I'm looking forward to Lynch's version then.. let's face it, he's not going to hold his hands up and say he didn't want to play, is he?

The truth probably lies somewhere in between but the bottom line is, Micky is the manager. If he doesn't like it, then there's a simple enough solution..

 

[Gritt23]

Okay, so MA's version is that it goes ...

MA "Okay Joel, with Hawk going under the knife, this is your chance. You'll be playing Saturday, and it's down to you to show me what you've got."
JL "Thanks boss, but my heads all over teh place at the moment. I think I'm gonna have to say no, and rule myself out. In fact, I would like a transfer, I'll put it in writing again if you need it."
MA "Ok son, thanks for being so honest. If your heads not right you shouldn't and indeed won't play on Saturday. I'll have a chat with El-Abd, it'll be fine."

Maybe it's just me, but that doesn't exactly sound right to me.

 

[Knotty]

We don't know the details so it's all a bit pointless speculating on imagined conversations, really.

All I know is that, if Guy's comments are right, I'm happy for him to leave.

 

[Gritt23]

All I'm saying Knotty is that there is more to this than what MA has told us, because what he's said doesn't make sense.

 

[NMH]

Not for a centre back.

Decent centre backs should not have been expected to fulfil potential at the ripe old age of 20, that's just stupid. With the right training Lynch could and probably will turn into a very good player.

Well if you ask me, there actually has to be some palpable potential to fulfil then. If you are giving him more years to be a decent player, then I'd say get someone in who already is, or shows real signs of being one.

 

[Black Country Seagull]

One minute i read quotes that Adams made the choice not to play Lynch due to the fact he did not believe he was in the right frame of mind to play. After the dust has settled, Adams is now saying Lynch told him he was not in the right frame of mind to play and did not want to be in the squad. Starting to sound like the albion spin machine was cranked up again on Sunday. All we know therefore is that one of them decided Lynch was not fit in mind.

 

[zego]

... because Lynch has now repeated his request, it's going to make it even harder for Adams to pick him, thereby making him less attractive in the marketplace. In other words, who wants to pick a player that doesn't want to play for you? ...

Not necessarily. We are only guessing as to Lynch's motivation, and come to that, Micky's.

Story was that Sully was almost permanently on the transfer list, and yet mostly in the team, for the 10+ years he was with us - sometimes terrible, sometimes brilliant.

 

[The Large One]

One minute i read quotes that Adams made the choice not to play Lynch due to the fact he did not believe he was in the right frame of mind to play. After the dust has settled, Adams is now saying Lynch told him he was not in the right frame of mind to play and did not want to be in the squad. Starting to sound like the albion spin machine was cranked up again on Sunday. All we know therefore is that one of them decided Lynch was not fit in mind.

Sorry, I don't see any fundamental difference between what Micky was quoted as saying after the game, and what he is quoted as saying in the Argus.

 

[The Large One]

Not necessarily. We are only guessing as to Lynch's motivation, and come to that, Micky's.

Story was that Sully was almost permanently on the transfer list, and yet mostly in the team, for the 10+ years he was with us - sometimes terrible, sometimes brilliant.

Well, possibly.

I met Sully earlier this year and had a few drinks with him in the Evening Star. Considering I hardly ever saw him play, I can well believe (whether it's true or not) that story you've just told.

 

[Jim D]

One minute i read quotes that Adams made the choice not to play Lynch due to the fact he did not believe he was in the right frame of mind to play. After the dust has settled, Adams is now saying Lynch told him he was not in the right frame of mind to play and did not want to be in the squad. Starting to sound like the albion spin machine was cranked up again on Sunday. All we know therefore is that one of them decided Lynch was not fit in mind.

I'd say the 'Albion spin machine' was cranked up for the first quote. They were trying to make it easier on Joel by saying that MA decided not to play him. I would say that sounds a lot better for the player than the other way around - and it gave MA a chance to pick him for Weds. But with Lynch turning down a game because his head 'wasn't right' that sounds more terminal. After that comment I'd be surprised to see him playing again for us - certainly under Adams - unless he made another comment that he was now ready to fight for his place. Even then he must know that he's likely to get serious stick from the fans.

The only question now is how much can we get for him and who would want him? It would have to be a loan for 3 months followed by a move in Jan.

 

[PILTDOWN MAN]

If Lynch was able to just rule himself out by virtue of the fact his head wasn't right, then frankly he really needs reminding of the privalleged life/job he has. If a normal person said to his boss "In fact I don't want to be here and I'm not turning up next week but by the way you're still paying me" I know what the response be.

 

[trueblue]

If Lynch was able to just rule himself out by virtue of the fact his head wasn't right, then frankly he really needs reminding of the privalleged life/job he has. If a normal person said to his boss "In fact I don't want to be here and I'm not turning up next week but by the way you're still paying me" I know what the response be.

Maybe if he hadn't lodged that ridiculous transfer request in the first place, he wouldn't be feeling he's under too much pressure to perform - if indeed, that's the problem.

 

[Horton's halftime iceberg]

Lynch needs to buckle down and play some games and perform well if he wants to move to pastures new. At the momment I am sure he will be heading down the league not up it. Great talent, the last thing he wants to get himself is a bad reputaion.

 

[Kneon Light]

Everyone including Lynch knew Hawkins was going to be out on saturday.
If he had knuckled down in training and kept quiet about wanting to leave he would have played.
Lynch only has himself to blame for this.
I think he is a talented player but not as talented as he thinks he is. He is also playing in a position so that if we lose him it's not the end of the world (and if we can swap him for a decent midfiled player all the better)

 

[Mr Blunt]

Can't say I blame him. He's got more talent in his little fingers than El-Abd and El-thick combined. He must wonder what the hell is going on in Micky's head when he sees those two on the pitch ahead of him.

Maybe he has a bad attitude

 

[Mr Blunt]

Everyone including Lynch knew Hawkins was going to be out on saturday.
If he had knuckled down in training and kept quiet about wanting to leave he would have played.
Lynch only has himself to blame for this.
I think he is a talented player but not as talented as he thinks he is. He is also playing in a position so that if we lose him it's not the end of the world (and if we can swap him for a decent midfiled player all the better)

Good post

 

[British Bulldog]

Well... who would you rather believe?

The man who transformed us from a borderline non-league outfit and laid the groundwork for all the success that's followed..

Or a flaky, always-injured centre back with an overblown sense of his importance to the squad...

I know which one I'd prefer to keep.

I'd rather keep an open mind to be honest, I would imagine there's a certain amount of truth and untruth coming from both sides. I just think it will be sad to lose yet another one of our promising youngsters whatever the reason is.

 

[Cullip4]

I really think he has believed his own hype and the fact that NSC portrays him as the next Paolo Maldini probably does not help.

The fact is he is not as good as Elphick and Hawkins and therefore he had to wait his turn, agree completly with what big Guy says. To be fair to Mickey if he has watched old game footage when taking the job, he will have seen that Joel has always made mistakes and unfortunatly those mistakes have normally resulted in goals.

Joel has been there long enough to have seen the grass is not always greener on the other side so should have waited and knuckled down, I predict he will be at Lewes in three years!!