I'm not a leftist and not a rightist either but if you dont think that part goes for both sides, you are just plain wrong.
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[Politics] Joe Biden
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I'm not a leftist and not a rightist either but if you dont think that part goes for both sides, you are just plain wrong.
Stato
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Biden's success in the primaries was down to an interesting coalition of blue collar men and black women. The former see him as old school, reliable and moderate, a Roosevelt Democrat on the side of the working man. The latter associate him with Obama. Both are key to the Democrats winning. White working class men shifting to him, away from Trump who a lot voted for simply because they hated Clinton, could bring back the mid West states that were lost by a very small margin in 2016. Black women coming out in numbers that they didn't last time will impact in the Democrats' favour nationally. The voices about settling and anyone but Trump are coming from the left, who don't much like Biden, but this time around seem to be realising the consequences of opting out and letting Trump in for another four years. Without high profile Green and Libertarian third party candidates running, Biden is in a far better position than Hillary was even without factoring in those who thought 'How bad could Trump be?' who now know the answer.
It doesn't seem like it to us, but for the US electorate, Biden was the sensible choice. Trump will only win if he cheats effectively. There is no doubt that he will cheat, but we all have to hope that his lies about electoral fraud and voter suppression don't work.
It doesn't seem like it to us, but for the US electorate, Biden was the sensible choice. Trump will only win if he cheats effectively. There is no doubt that he will cheat, but we all have to hope that his lies about electoral fraud and voter suppression don't work.
Quite. And as most know, I don’t get many political predictions wrong.
It's amusing reading that post you quoted, taking a swing at the left, in a thread where Trump is a major part of the conversation. Trump's idea of a debate is founded on the idea of labelling his opponents with childish, offensive nicknames and doing everything possible to avoid actual factual debate.
Kalimantan Gull
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Biden is a perfectly fine choice. He's likeable, he's empathetic, he's folksy and in touch with the white working class in a way many Democrats are not, he has a compelling personal back story, he's popular in the African American community and he's not of the far left. The youth and the left are not excited but they've made their peace with him in a way they didn't with Hilary. In a 'get Trump out' election they couldn't do much better.
He neutralises all of Trump's favourite attack lines, he wants to ignite culture wars and accuse him of being of the socialist left. Biden's age and experience are a plus here, people know who he is, those attacks don't work.
So they've fallen back on the 'Sleepy Joe' line, which is just plain daft. He's battled a stutter all his life, people know this. But more than that, by saying he's demented they are setting the bar so low its easy for him to clear it. It makes a good speech great and a great speech legendary - and last night he gave a GREAT speech. And when he debates Trump the people will see more of the same - an intelligent, empathetic, compelling debater, he was good against Bernie, and if everyone is expecting him to mess up, when he doesn't he will be called the winner of the debates.
He's consistently polling at 50% with leads of 8-10%. Clinton was the front runner throughout 2016 but it was always close, she almost never broke 48% with leads of 3-4% at the same stage. In the swing states he has big leads in Michigan, Arizona, Florida, NE-2 and Wisconsin. He's tied - with several polls showing leads - in Texas, Georgia and Ohio of all places, none of which he needs. Clinton lost on the basis of just 20, 000 votes or so in each of Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania, where many traditional Dems stayed home or voted third party, trends that aren't going to happen this year.
It's really really hard to see him losing, other than the memory of the shock of 2016.
He neutralises all of Trump's favourite attack lines, he wants to ignite culture wars and accuse him of being of the socialist left. Biden's age and experience are a plus here, people know who he is, those attacks don't work.
So they've fallen back on the 'Sleepy Joe' line, which is just plain daft. He's battled a stutter all his life, people know this. But more than that, by saying he's demented they are setting the bar so low its easy for him to clear it. It makes a good speech great and a great speech legendary - and last night he gave a GREAT speech. And when he debates Trump the people will see more of the same - an intelligent, empathetic, compelling debater, he was good against Bernie, and if everyone is expecting him to mess up, when he doesn't he will be called the winner of the debates.
He's consistently polling at 50% with leads of 8-10%. Clinton was the front runner throughout 2016 but it was always close, she almost never broke 48% with leads of 3-4% at the same stage. In the swing states he has big leads in Michigan, Arizona, Florida, NE-2 and Wisconsin. He's tied - with several polls showing leads - in Texas, Georgia and Ohio of all places, none of which he needs. Clinton lost on the basis of just 20, 000 votes or so in each of Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania, where many traditional Dems stayed home or voted third party, trends that aren't going to happen this year.
It's really really hard to see him losing, other than the memory of the shock of 2016.
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People like you hate hearing the unpalatable truth, dismissing it as self-righteous, sanctimonious bile. I'll tell you what, if you don't like the reasoning, why don't YOU come up with the answer to your own question which was : Why did so many people vote for Trump?
This is a man born into vast wealth who has a track record for losing money hand over fist. So is he a man of business? Not really.
He has a proven track record for lying and gross misogyny, and he hates being questioned in press conferences. So much so, that he ignores reporters who asks him anything awkward. So it's not his moral compass either.
What he does do is shout loudly "America first" and "Make America great again" without doing anything of note except dismantling long standing policies for the longer term benefit in favour of crap short-term populism. So he goes to trade war with China over steel to save American jobs. Good luck with that as US steel continues to be uncompetitive after he's burnt bridges with China over trade policy. He has favoured Israel (moving the embassy to Jerusalem before a settlement is reached), which has damaged the US as a bastion of any sort of neutrality. He has pulled out of Iranian nuclear and international save the planet agreements all to protect his place in the short term at the expense of a better world or a better America in the longer term. He refused to acknowledge the problems created by no notable state healthcare (trying his best to pull the plug on Obamacare) or lack of gun control, he tacitly allows ugly racist groups to carry on. It is endless.
But the intelligensia saw him for what he was, and so did the liberals - so coupled with a friendly Fox media, masses of ignorant morons voted for him purely because he was a fat old white crusty and wasn't liberal Hilary, who don't forget *gasp* sent an email from a personal account.
You don't have to be a liberal to see what happened here, you just have to engage your brain. Your whining at liberals and socialists is pathetic. Until you can provide a better answer as to why Trump was voted in, I suggest you STFU.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fT03vCaL-F0
In the end its the same old story. The oligarchs of the US - the bank owners - have already decided who gets elected, as they did with the latest 20 or so presidents. They make the decisions, their executers (the secret services) carry it out through their PR division (the media) who then with proven propaganda methods tell the people who to vote for. If the banks want Trump elected, he will get elected. If the banks wants Biden elected, he will get elected. Its the greatest show on earth.
In the end its the same old story. The oligarchs of the US - the bank owners - have already decided who gets elected, as they did with the latest 20 or so presidents. They make the decisions, their executers (the secret services) carry it out through their PR division (the media) who then with proven propaganda methods tell the people who to vote for. If the banks want Trump elected, he will get elected. If the banks wants Biden elected, he will get elected. Its the greatest show on earth.
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I agree with you totally. I'll guess that I don't agree with you on most political matters, but you have the right to have your opinion heard without being belittled. More importantly, you and every other adult, should have the right to vote for your opinion
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One of those you mention was very good, one other pretty good. One might work out ok. Whoever is president is going to look a little right wing to European taste, the US is a conservative country.
Article II, Section 1, Clause 5 of the Constitution sets three qualifications for holding the presidency. To serve as president, one must:
be a natural-born U.S. citizen of the United States;
be at least 35 years old;
be a resident in the United States for at least 14 years.
SweatyMexican
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Not for me mate. He’s a poor choice.
Most people are voting for him because he’s not trump. https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2020/08/13/election-2020-voters-are-highly-engaged-but-nearly-half-expect-to-have-difficulties-voting/?utm_content=buffer52a93&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer
Why? His policy positions are far out of touch with what Americans actually think. You can throw left/right labels anywhere you like, but most Americans are surprisingly left wing when you go issue for issue. Do they need Medicare for all? 80% of democrats say yes, and even 50% of self-described republicans say yes too. 70% want to legalise and regulate marijuana. 60% want to address climate change WITH a great new deal. Do big corporations need to pay their fair share of taxes? Are private prisons a good thing? Should they be at war constantly? Does the minimum wage need to be raised and tied to inflation? All popular proposals and all labelled as ‘left wing’.
When you take labels out of it, and go issue for issue, you realise both Trump and Biden are both awful candidates who do not represent the interests of the people in any way whatsoever. You have big lobbyist groups who do very good business propping up their chosen candidates and making sure people like Bernie Sanders never get to actually create real change. I would vote for Biden, but only because he’s not trump. He needs to go. But I wouldn’t expect any real difference in how the country runs. No nationalised heath care system. No aggressive climate change. Nothing. It’s business as usual.
And most Americans know it, so they won’t come out to vote. It’s Hillary all over again.
Maybe he wins, and I really hope he does, because Trump is so much worse. But it’ll be close.
Joe is a one term President he has indicated that himself he is also a very good candidate to go up against Trump in that he's Teflon been in Politics for decades and nothing really bad anyone can say against him, in fact even a number of Republican Senitors speek really highly I heard one comment that Joe Biden is just a nice person who has a colabrotive way of working.
Defiantly a lead in for Harris provided she doesn't do anything stupid in his time as President as in my opinion there is no way the American public can be that stupid to give another four years to Mr Tango.........Can they?
Defiantly a lead in for Harris provided she doesn't do anything stupid in his time as President as in my opinion there is no way the American public can be that stupid to give another four years to Mr Tango.........Can they?
Palacefinder General
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Albion Dan
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Trump is a terrible leader but Joe Biden is all kinds of wrong, particularly around women, especially young ones.
Lenny Rider
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Good point, but is it not protocol for anyone from the ruling party not to stand against a sitting US President? (even if he is basically a Nazi)
It certainly would have been entertaining to watch the s*** storm that followed had someone put their head above the parapet.
junior
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Has trump actually done badly as a president? I know he's a bit of a joke in this country but he can't be doing too badly if he's odds on to get elected again. I remember everybody saying first time round that if he got in he'd start world war three etc... but he hasn't as far as I'm aware.
Kalimantan Gull
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Fine. But if its so straightforward why don't they vote for it. Why didnt Bernie win the primary? I'm sure he'd have won the election too. Why is the senate so far to the right? Mid term turnout is shocking.
I can think of many reasons, but ultimately people have to vote. Too many of these people who want these things don't go out and vote for it, the real shame of all democracies. So the Dems need to win the votes of people who vote, and Biden is a good candidate for that.
(also I think he could be someone who swings a bit left after he's elected, although the Dems path to 60 senate seats is pretty fanciful)
Saltydog
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Sorry if fixtures- not read all posts - The orange clown is 74 yo.