Jmes Mclean shows deliberate disrespect......again

[BadFish]

Bollox , he wouldnt be here if he was , he was offered abroad because he didnt want to play in league 2 and there was no interest.

Yeah okay he hates English people so he decides to go and live and work in England because he likes to surround himself with people he hates.

You shouldn't judge everyone by your own standards Alfie.

 

[el punal]

He is paid to play football. NOTHING in his contract says anything about having to give a crap about national anthems.

haha dignity? The other foreign players look disinterested and couldnt care less about the anthem. Quick be outraged by their total disinterest in some song.

You're wrong though. There is no embarrassment. Well not unless you factor in all the offended nobodies who are crying over what he did.

Of course he's paid to play football, that's blindingly obvious, but he is also representing his employers, in a public environment, who would demand that the integrity of the club is upheld at all times. There have been enough instances in recent times of clubs sacking players, regardless of how good they are at football, because they have tarnished the club's (employer's) image.

Oh, and by the way, I'm not offended but then I'm not a 'nobody' either.

 

[alfredmizen]

Yeah okay he hates English people so he decides to go and live and work in England because he likes toGET PAID FOR MORE THAN HE WOULD AT HOME OR ELSEWHERE..

You shouldn't judge everyone by your own standards Alfie.

The real reason.

 

[Hastings gull]

As I have said my guess is that he doesn't have a problem with British people and does make a distinction between a countries people and their governments, otherwise he wouldn't live, play and socialise among them. He is clearly a principled person and would probably go to one of the many other countries that pay good money to footballers and play there.
There are many many things that both British and Australian governments have done during my residency in those countries that I hope I would not be personally held accountable for by someone effected by them. To assume my support of government policy based on my residency in that country is pretty ridiculous IMO so i think it is entirely possible to make this distinction. In fact i think it is disingenuous and foolish not to make it and assume an individuals support.

As you say it is your guess and we don't really know. Presumably some of the 7/7 suicide bombers also "lived, played and socialised" with british people at work etc - it is by no means a guarantee. I am sorry but I don't understand what you are trying to say with the highlighted sentence. Of course not everyone can be held responsible for every action a government undertakes, and yet again you take everything so literally. But the involvement in NI did enjoy large public support and certainly the troops did, so in this case, you clearly would have difficulty in claiming that the Government was at fault (or whatever) and not the people.

 

[BadFish]

The real reason.

Your doing it again.

Anyway I will leave you with your assumptions and anger.

 

[BadFish]

As you say it is your guess and we don't really know. Presumably some of the 7/7 suicide bombers also "lived, played and socialised" with british people at work etc - it is by no means a guarantee. I am sorry but I don't understand what you are trying to say with the highlighted sentence. Of course not everyone can be held responsible for every action a government undertakes, and yet again you take everything so literally. But the involvement in NI did enjoy large public support and certainly the troops did, so in this case, you clearly would have difficulty in claiming that the Government was at fault (or whatever) and not the people.

No we don't really know but the evidence certainly suggests that he has no problems with British people per se.

I don't think that it is clear that you cannot blame the government without blaming the people. The people will vote in a government but cannot be held responsible for everything it does once elected. You must be carrying around an awful lot of guilt for things done by serving governments.

 

[alfredmizen]

Your doing it again.

Anyway I will leave you with your assumptions and anger.

yes you will, because you know i'm right.

 

[alfredmizen]

No we don't really know but the evidence certainly suggests that he has no problems with British people per se.

I don't think that it is clear that you cannot blame the government without blaming the people. The people will vote in a government but cannot be held responsible for everything it does once elected. You must be carrying around an awful lot of guilt for things done by serving governments.

No, thats the province of effete self haters like yourself.

 

[BadFish]

No, thats the province of effete self haters like yourself.

Yes such a 'lefty' trait isn't it?

although funnily enough on this thread it isn't me blaming myself for the actions of my government is it?

And it's not me outraged and offended on this thread is it?

And it's not be wanting everybody to think like I do is it?

Hypocrisy indeed.

Maybe you are more of a lefty than you think. Perhaps Sussex is getting to you. You'll be voting green and knitting yoghurt in no time

Good night Tarquin.

 

[Hastings gull]

No we don't really know but the evidence certainly suggests that he has no problems with British people per se.

I don't think that it is clear that you cannot blame the government without blaming the people. The people will vote in a government but cannot be held responsible for everything it does once elected. You must be carrying around an awful lot of guilt for things done by serving governments.

What evidence? I can't see anything either way. So, how can you when I bet you had never even heard of said character prior to today. I am struggling with the all the negatives in your first sentence, and that along with the spelling errors in earlier posts and that it is night time in OZ, I am wondering if you are perfectly sober! I thought that I just said that not everyone can be blamed for every decision. And as to your last sentence, do you really think that this is a sensible remark?

 

[sydney]

complicated issue this one .......comes across as disrespectful no doubt......blanking a country's national anthem when played on their own shores can only be seen as disrespectful surely.... no matter how good his reasoning is , he doesn't have to belt it out hand on heart but he could at least stand up straight and show some respect...............it can only be taken as disrespect .....imho...

 

[Hastings gull]

complicated issue this one .......comes across as disrespectful no doubt......blanking a country's national anthem when played on their own shores can only be seen as disrespectful surely.... no matter how good his reasoning is , he doesn't have to belt it out hand on heart but he could at least stand up straight and show some respect...............it can only be taken as disrespect .....imho...

It is indeed hard to marry your own principles, however much we might not like them, with the need to show some sort of respect to the country in which you live, and where you are paid handsomely. I just feel that some sort of compromise might be needed perhaps by him simply standing there and not singing, which is not a requirement at all. Turning your back does show an element of disrespect, and if he is so keen on British people, then this might be one ay of showing it without compromising his principles.

 

[atfc village]

Fair play too him ,i myself wouldn't boo an Anthem but i've turned my back on other a Countries Anthem .It happened to be a Country that i worked in for 18 months and every day was the same utter shite from the locals .My only payback was too show my feelings,i can't call it a Country it was a principality.

 

[OGH's Libido]

Fair play too him ,i myself wouldn't boo an Anthem but i've turned my back on other a Countries Anthem .It happened to be a Country that i worked in for 18 months and every day was the same utter shite from the locals .My only payback was too show my feelings,i can't call it a Country it was a principality.

That's pretty disrespectful, could be the reason the locals were it a bit funny with you. I've lived in some very dodgy countries but have always managed to dodge stirring up emotions with things I found hard to stomach. You've got to pick your battles, not outright wind people up.

Let's not forget that on some level West Brom are representing the United Kingdom - a foreign tour for a club in a league watched around the world. So this is important.

But I feel that manners is what this all boils down to. And despite what my mother told me, bad manners aren't a crime. If I were Pulis, I like to think that I'd have seen this coming and avoided the whole situation. Presumably that conversation didn't happen otherwise Pulis would have pulled him from the team.

As much as his behavior irks me, I respect his reasons. It's a shame he was put in that position.

 

[ExmouthExile]

When you pull on the shirt you represent your club and leave your own opinion in the dressing room. By turning his back, he's not only disrespecting a country other than his own, he's also disrespecting his club, his colleagues, his employers, and also the fans. If I were in charge at WBA I would see to it that he never played for my club again!

 

[Gregory2Smith1]

presumably he doesn't turn his back on the cashpoint machine that unloads all those British pounds with a picture of the Queen on them