Jmes Mclean shows deliberate disrespect......again

[BadFish]

Why does it matter?

Out of interest, why is it that those people most stridently 'anti-pc' and willing to play the 'not my fault if you're offended, just my opinion' card are generally the most upset when something like this occurs?

Its political correctness gone mad

 

[Billy the Fish]

No, if he was principled then he'd be playing in Ireland for £100 a week.

I think this is the point the shows him up to be an attention seeking hypocrite.

If, as people are saying, he's so principled he wouldn't be earning a living in a country he hates so much. If he's happy to take English money then he should bite his tongue and not make an obvious mark of disrespect. All he has to do is stand there like everyone else, he doesn't need to join in.

To be honest I think a few of you are just so used to arguing with Bushy that you can't take an objective view here. Imagine if England fans started booing national anthems again, how many of you would be on here calling them disrespectful?

 

[Tyrone Biggums]

Of course I get it, what i'm saying is its not right, its YOU that doesnt get it.

I get it. It's a stupid song that people are allowed to not give a shit about.

If you are going to make me have to put up with it don't bitch and moan about what I do during it. Especially at some kind of social event.

 

[El Presidente]

Am I missing something? Why does the national anthem need to be played at a West Bromwich Albion football match?

 

[alfredmizen]

Am I missing something? Why does the national anthem need to be played at a West Bromwich Albion football match?

Why has this been moved ? As for the national anthem it was in america, they do that over there.

 

[DarrenFreemansPerm]

i havent shown myself up at all, for the record this is the first time he's done this , its a calculated insult , if the queen can shake hands with scum like mcguiness , then this tosspot can stand for our national anthem , its a deliberate insult to the british , which gutless wankers like you allow him to get away with

watch out, we got a badass over here

 

[El Presidente]

Why has this been moved ?

Because it descended into abuse as opposed to debate.

 

[BadFish]

Am I missing something? Why does the national anthem need to be played at a West Bromwich Albion football match?

Americans playing against a foreign team. Any excuse for a bit of patriotism.

 

[alfredmizen]

I get it. It's a stupid song that people are allowed to not give a shit about.

If you are going to make me have to put up with it don't bitch and moan about what I do during it. Especially at some kind of social event.

he got chinned by connor wickham whilst at sunderland , id do the same.

 

[alfredmizen]

Because it descended into abuse as opposed to debate.

No it didnt at all. you just want the big board like the amex, sanitised and happy clappy.

 

[alfredmizen]

I think this is the point the shows him up to be an attention seeking hypocrite.

If, as people are saying, he's so principled he wouldn't be earning a living in a country he hates so much. If he's happy to take English money then he should bite his tongue and not make an obvious mark of disrespect. All he has to do is stand there like everyone else, he doesn't need to join in.

To be honest I think a few of you are just so used to arguing with Bushy that you can't take an objective view here. Imagine if England fans started booing national anthems again, how many of you would be on here calling them disrespectful?

Exactly

 

[El Presidente]

No it didnt at all. you just want the big board like the amex, sanitised and happy clappy.

What do you call this then?

Of course it is you prize cvnt.

 

[alfredmizen]

What do you call this then?

A factual statement, contained within the debate.

 

[el punal]

No, he is paid to play football. Not to be a political sycophant.

He is paid to play for and represent an English football club. That means, despite his views, he should conform to the wishes of the club and show some respect.

If he felt so strongly about this 'incident' he should have absented himself from either the pre-match ceremony or the entire match, that at least would save the club, and himself, from the embarrassment that ensued.

I did notice, as well, other non-British West Brom players observing both national anthems with dignity, something that maybe James McLean is lacking.

 

[Hastings gull]

Clearly it is the British Governments that he has the problem with not the British people ,otherwise he wouldn't be playing for an English club in England where he interacts with and works with English people all the time. If he has a problem with English people he would have stayed in N.I. away from us all.

A very tempting argument, and one we often hear, but I am not sure how true it is. The government, or at least politicians are voted in by the people and the thousands of troops (largely supported by the British people) deployed to NI over the years were British people. I don't think you can separate the two. As to whether he would have stayed in NI, a very large weekly pay packet might have something to do with it.
The Independent is saying that he refused to wear a poppy as it would be a mark of disrespect to the innocents who lost their lives, and if this is the case, then fair enough, there is a principle involved. But I strongly suspect that his version of the innocents might simply refer to his list of innocents. Might he just think that Catholics killed in Ireland are more innocent than English civilians caught up in IRA bomb blasts. Just wondering.

 

[El Presidente]

A factual statement, contained within the debate.

I'm trying to save you ripping a new pair of trousers x

 

[BadFish]

A very tempting argument, and one we often hear, but I am not sure how true it is. The government, or at least politicians are voted in by the people and the thousands of troops (largely supported by the British people) deployed to NI over the years were British people. I don't think you can separate the two. As to whether he would have stayed in NI, a very large weekly pay packet might have something to do with it.
The Independent is saying that he refused to wear a poppy as it would be a mark of disrespect to the innocents who lost their lives, and if this is the case, then fair enough, there is a principle involved. But I strongly suspect that his version of the innocents might simply refer to his list of innocents. Might he just think that Catholics killed in Ireland are more innocent than English civilians caught up in IRA bomb blasts. Just wondering.

As I have said my guess is that he doesn't have a problem with British people and does make a distinction between a countries people and their governments, otherwise he wouldn't live, play and socialise among them. He is clearly a principled person and would probably go to one of the many other countries that pay good money to footballers and play there.

There are many many things that both British and Australian governments have done during my residency in those countries that I hope I would not be personally held accountable for by someone effected by them. To assume my support of government policy based on my residency in that country is pretty ridiculous IMO so i think it is entirely possible to make this distinction. In fact i think it is disingenuous and foolish not to make it and assume an individuals support.

 

[Tyrone Biggums]

He is paid to play for and represent an English football club. That means, despite his views, he should conform to the wishes of the club and show some respect.

If he felt so strongly about this 'incident' he should have absented himself from either the pre-match ceremony or the entire match, that at least would save the club, and himself, from the embarrassment that ensued.

I did notice, as well, other non-British West Brom players observing both national anthems with dignity, something that maybe James McLean is lacking.

He is paid to play football. NOTHING in his contract says anything about having to give a crap about national anthems.

haha dignity? The other foreign players look disinterested and couldnt care less about the anthem. Quick be outraged by their total disinterest in some song.

You're wrong though. There is no embarrassment. Well not unless you factor in all the offended nobodies who are crying over what he did.

 

[BadFish]

What do you call this then?

The ramblings of a halfwit who can't control his temper.

 

[alfredmizen]

As I have said my guess is that he doesn't have a problem with British people and does make a distinction between a countries people and their governments, otherwise he wouldn't live, play and socialise among them. He is clearly a principled person and would probably go to one of the many other countries that pay good money to footballers and play there.

There are many many things that both British and Australian governments have done during my residency in those countries that I hope I would not be personally held accountable for by someone effected by them. To assume my support of government policy based on my residency in that country is pretty ridiculous IMO so i think it is entirely possible to make this distinction. In fact i think it is disingenuous and foolish not to make it and assume an individuals support.

Bollox , he wouldnt be here if he was , he was offered abroad because he didnt want to play in league 2 and there was no interest.