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Jeremy Corbyn.
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oh crumbs don't bring that up.4 million votes and robbed by the ancient system
Buzzer
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Unequivocal statement from Corbyn on World at One when asked about his links with Lebanese extremist Dyab Abou JahJah (not to be confused with the Star Wars character) "I don't know who this person is"
He's the bloke to your right in this picture Jeremy:
He's the bloke you invited to speak at two separate events in London, the one you invited to the HoC as your 'special friend' and when he was banned from entering the UK for saying, amongst other things "the death of every British soldier is a victory" you publicly attacked the decision. You'd think Jeremy would have remembered or maybe all these extremists that he's shared a platform with look and sound much the same and he got confused.
I'm not sure if Corbyn is anti-semitic or not but he sure as hell attracts a lot of weirdos who clearly are and does very little to disassociate himself from them other than the usual platitudes about being anti-racist.
He's the bloke to your right in this picture Jeremy:
He's the bloke you invited to speak at two separate events in London, the one you invited to the HoC as your 'special friend' and when he was banned from entering the UK for saying, amongst other things "the death of every British soldier is a victory" you publicly attacked the decision. You'd think Jeremy would have remembered or maybe all these extremists that he's shared a platform with look and sound much the same and he got confused.
I'm not sure if Corbyn is anti-semitic or not but he sure as hell attracts a lot of weirdos who clearly are and does very little to disassociate himself from them other than the usual platitudes about being anti-racist.
Unequivocal statement from Corbyn on World at One when asked about his links with Lebanese extremist Dyab Abou JahJah (not to be confused with the Star Wars character) "I don't know who this person is"
He's the bloke to your right in this picture Jeremy:
He's the bloke you invited to speak at two separate events in London, the one you invited to the HoC as your 'special friend' and when he was banned from entering the UK for saying, amongst other things "the death of every British soldier is a victory" you publicly attacked the decision. You'd think Jeremy would have remembered or maybe all these extremists that he's shared a platform with look and sound much the same and he got confused.
I'm not sure if Corbyn is anti-semitic or not but he sure as hell attracts a lot of weirdos who clearly are and does very little to disassociate himself from them other than the usual platitudes about being anti-racist.
Maybe he thought he was being asked about the chap from Star Wars?
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Unequivocal statement from Corbyn on World at One when asked about his links with Lebanese extremist Dyab Abou JahJah (not to be confused with the Star Wars character) "I don't know who this person is"
He's the bloke to your right in this picture Jeremy:
He's the bloke you invited to speak at two separate events in London, the one you invited to the HoC as your 'special friend' and when he was banned from entering the UK for saying, amongst other things "the death of every British soldier is a victory" you publicly attacked the decision. You'd think Jeremy would have remembered or maybe all these extremists that he's shared a platform with look and sound much the same and he got confused.
Oops!
Are people still prepared to support this chap. I suppose the backing he has on this board shows many do, worrying really.Unequivocal statement from Corbyn on World at One when asked about his links with Lebanese extremist Dyab Abou JahJah (not to be confused with the Star Wars character) "I don't know who this person is"
He's the bloke to your right in this picture Jeremy:
He's the bloke you invited to speak at two separate events in London, the one you invited to the HoC as your 'special friend' and when he was banned from entering the UK for saying, amongst other things "the death of every British soldier is a victory" you publicly attacked the decision. You'd think Jeremy would have remembered or maybe all these extremists that he's shared a platform with look and sound much the same and he got confused.
I'm not sure if Corbyn is anti-semitic or not but he sure as hell attracts a lot of weirdos who clearly are and does very little to disassociate himself from them other than the usual platitudes about being anti-racist.
You'll find out very shortly.
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A bit of context:
So they met in 2009 to organise a debate. If I met someone once or twice over a couple of days 6 years ago I'm not sure I'd say I'd 'know' them.
ON HOW HE MET CORBYN
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I have briefly met and collaborated with Jeremy Corbyn in 2009. We organised a debate at the British parliament where Corbyn, myself, and Hezbullah MP, and current Lebanese government minister, Hussein Haj Hassan spoke. A day before, we had also spoken together at a rally of the British anti-war movement. Corbyn’s openness to dialogue is what made the visit possible. The pro-Israel lobby then woke up and started a smear campaign against me resulting in a hasty and unjustified decision by the interior minister to deny me re-entry to the UK. That campaign had almost the same content of the current campaign that is spearheaded by the pro-Israel lobby and the conservatives. The claims are that I am anti-Semitic, that I am a bigot, and that I rejoice the death of British soldiers.
ON WHY BRITISH SOLDIERS ARE 'LEGITIMATE TARGETS'
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As for rejoicing the death of British occupation soldiers in Iraq, this is a misrepresentation of a position that I still uphold until this day. The occupation and destruction of Iraq in 2003 was unlawful, criminal and a crime against humanity. We still witness the repercussions of that terrible crime until this day. The criminals responsible for it, including Tony Blair, are still at large enjoying impunity. Every soldier taking part in an illegal occupation is a legitimate target for resistance. This is a guaranteed right to occupied people under international law. But rejoicing the death of people, even enemy soldiers, is not something that I would do. Rejoicing the victory of peoples resistance against occupation, is another matter.
ON WHY HE SUPPORTS CORBYN
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Yes, I do support Jeremy Corbyn, and I am hopeful he will win the leadership of Labour and help build a better future for the British people. I am like Mr Corbyn a socialist, and we do share similar values. This does not mean that I agree with him on everything and I am sure that he also disagrees with me on some things. He was not my cheerleader then and I am not his cheerleader now, serious people do not reason in these terms.
So they met in 2009 to organise a debate. If I met someone once or twice over a couple of days 6 years ago I'm not sure I'd say I'd 'know' them.
ON HOW HE MET CORBYN
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I have briefly met and collaborated with Jeremy Corbyn in 2009. We organised a debate at the British parliament where Corbyn, myself, and Hezbullah MP, and current Lebanese government minister, Hussein Haj Hassan spoke. A day before, we had also spoken together at a rally of the British anti-war movement. Corbyn’s openness to dialogue is what made the visit possible. The pro-Israel lobby then woke up and started a smear campaign against me resulting in a hasty and unjustified decision by the interior minister to deny me re-entry to the UK. That campaign had almost the same content of the current campaign that is spearheaded by the pro-Israel lobby and the conservatives. The claims are that I am anti-Semitic, that I am a bigot, and that I rejoice the death of British soldiers.
ON WHY BRITISH SOLDIERS ARE 'LEGITIMATE TARGETS'
Quote
As for rejoicing the death of British occupation soldiers in Iraq, this is a misrepresentation of a position that I still uphold until this day. The occupation and destruction of Iraq in 2003 was unlawful, criminal and a crime against humanity. We still witness the repercussions of that terrible crime until this day. The criminals responsible for it, including Tony Blair, are still at large enjoying impunity. Every soldier taking part in an illegal occupation is a legitimate target for resistance. This is a guaranteed right to occupied people under international law. But rejoicing the death of people, even enemy soldiers, is not something that I would do. Rejoicing the victory of peoples resistance against occupation, is another matter.
ON WHY HE SUPPORTS CORBYN
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Yes, I do support Jeremy Corbyn, and I am hopeful he will win the leadership of Labour and help build a better future for the British people. I am like Mr Corbyn a socialist, and we do share similar values. This does not mean that I agree with him on everything and I am sure that he also disagrees with me on some things. He was not my cheerleader then and I am not his cheerleader now, serious people do not reason in these terms.
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Very good news piece on JC this lunchtime on the World at One, I imagine it will digitalised later but at the moment (click on link below)
News bit about JC at 7:00 minutes into link and a phone in interview with him at 12:00 minutes into link chaired by Martha Kearney, questions by callers on Non Austerity won't win power, Why do you call Hamas friends, Why don't you tell anti semites and holocaust deniers to leave your campaign and condone the behaviour, why do you invite unsavoury characters to parliament, what is your relationship with the Lebanese man who talks about British soldiers, Housing - the right to buy/Landlords and social housing, Quantitate easing and economic ideas, What are you ideas on EU and referendum, finally if you can not win an election under leadership (by polls CLP feedback) would you stand down and do you want to be leader, do you want to be prime minister.
Also do you accept responsibility for the Hipster beard!
He answers clearly all the above questions put to him, and put up on here by many posters. I will let him answer in his own words so have a listen, 20 minutes for the interview and phone in.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b066f91x
News bit about JC at 7:00 minutes into link and a phone in interview with him at 12:00 minutes into link chaired by Martha Kearney, questions by callers on Non Austerity won't win power, Why do you call Hamas friends, Why don't you tell anti semites and holocaust deniers to leave your campaign and condone the behaviour, why do you invite unsavoury characters to parliament, what is your relationship with the Lebanese man who talks about British soldiers, Housing - the right to buy/Landlords and social housing, Quantitate easing and economic ideas, What are you ideas on EU and referendum, finally if you can not win an election under leadership (by polls CLP feedback) would you stand down and do you want to be leader, do you want to be prime minister.
Also do you accept responsibility for the Hipster beard!
He answers clearly all the above questions put to him, and put up on here by many posters. I will let him answer in his own words so have a listen, 20 minutes for the interview and phone in.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b066f91x
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Link of the interview up now, with video feed, well worth a listen
Jeremy Corbyn: "The Idea that I'm some kind of racist or anti-Semitic person is beyond appalling, disgusting and deeply offensive"
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p03048x8
Jeremy Corbyn: "The Idea that I'm some kind of racist or anti-Semitic person is beyond appalling, disgusting and deeply offensive"
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p03048x8
I once saw a picture of Thatcher shaking the hand of a well know radio personality and ex-wrestler...
Very easy to jump to (the wrong) conclusions.
Buzzer
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Lovely use of apostrophes to describe 'know of' and I think you're being a little facetious. Corbyn was very clear. "I do not know of this man". In normal English...in any English that means that he's never heard of him. I'm not saying that they are BFF but he invited him twice to share a platform with him, he invited him as a special guest to the HoC and he stood up for him when Theresa May banned JahJah from the UK. Given all that, it's quite incredible to claim that he doesn't know of him.
Buzzer
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Well, he's hardly likely to say "fair cop, I don't much care for Jews" is he? I'm not saying he is anti-semitic but a lot of people that he hangs around with (and continues to do so) and gives credibility to, most definitely are.
Buzzer
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Not quite. You'd think from that apologia that Jahjah is a reasonable man. Here's another photo of Jahjah.
He's been a member several times of Hezbollah, he's led race riots in Antwerp, anyone who criticises him is de facto a Zionist, just check his Twitter and Facebook timeline, it's riddled with the word. His organisation regularly publishes anti-semitic material including very recently an article questioning whether the holocaust really happened.
Regarding the race riots, here's a report of what he got up to: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...ist-sparked-riot-in-Antwerp-say-Belgians.html
"A former Hizbollah fighter was blamed by the Belgian authorities yesterday for inciting two days of race riots...after a Muslim schoolteacher was shot dead by a Belgian neighbour. The killer had serious psychiatric problems but the crime was instantly assumed to be a racist provocation....The Belgian government blamed Arab provocateurs yesterday. It turned the spotlight on Abou Jahjah, a Lebanese-born extremist and former Hizbollah fighter now known as the Malcolm X of Belgium's ethnic politics, claiming that he and his followers seized on the incident to inflame racial hatred....Guy Verhofstadt, the prime minister, told parliament he was considering a ban on Abou Jahjah's Antwerp-based ultra-radical group, the Arab-European League, for inciting violence, issuing threats and disturbing public order.
Handsome and smooth-talking, Abou Jahjah advocates a form of separatist apartheid for Belgium's 400,000 Muslims, demanding segregated schools, an end to "Flemish cultural terrorism" and recognition of Arabic as a fourth official language after Dutch, French and German....Belgian security services are more worried about the Islamic underground. A leaked report this summer concluded that Belgium had become a "logistical support base" for terrorist groups, including al-Qa'eda, the Algerian Armed Islamic Groups and the Hamas-linked Muslim Brotherhood...gangs have been preying on Hassidic children as they walk to school, forcing those identifiable as Jewish to move around with escorts."
But he's not anti-semitic. Oh no. It's those pesky Zionists who are trying to make him look bad.
pastafarian
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Not quite. You'd think from that apologia that Jahjah is a reasonable man. Here's another photo of Jahjah.
He's been a member several times of Hezbollah, he's led race riots in Antwerp, anyone who criticises him is de facto a Zionist, just check his Twitter and Facebook timeline, it's riddled with the word. His organisation regularly publishes anti-semitic material including very recently an article questioning whether the holocaust really happened.
Regarding the race riots, here's a report of what he got up to: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...ist-sparked-riot-in-Antwerp-say-Belgians.html
"A former Hizbollah fighter was blamed by the Belgian authorities yesterday for inciting two days of race riots...after a Muslim schoolteacher was shot dead by a Belgian neighbour. The killer had serious psychiatric problems but the crime was instantly assumed to be a racist provocation....The Belgian government blamed Arab provocateurs yesterday. It turned the spotlight on Abou Jahjah, a Lebanese-born extremist and former Hizbollah fighter now known as the Malcolm X of Belgium's ethnic politics, claiming that he and his followers seized on the incident to inflame racial hatred....Guy Verhofstadt, the prime minister, told parliament he was considering a ban on Abou Jahjah's Antwerp-based ultra-radical group, the Arab-European League, for inciting violence, issuing threats and disturbing public order.
Handsome and smooth-talking, Abou Jahjah advocates a form of separatist apartheid for Belgium's 400,000 Muslims, demanding segregated schools, an end to "Flemish cultural terrorism" and recognition of Arabic as a fourth official language after Dutch, French and German....Belgian security services are more worried about the Islamic underground. A leaked report this summer concluded that Belgium had become a "logistical support base" for terrorist groups, including al-Qa'eda, the Algerian Armed Islamic Groups and the Hamas-linked Muslim Brotherhood...gangs have been preying on Hassidic children as they walk to school, forcing those identifiable as Jewish to move around with escorts."
But he's not anti-semitic. Oh no. It's those pesky Zionists who are trying to make him look bad.
sounds like a lovely chap,nothing like a bit of holocaust denial to get people chatting
Dyab Abou Jahjah
"When I first heard about the cartoons that were published in Denmark and Norway representing the prophet Mohamed I honestly didn’t think that the issue is worth a debate.
This whole cartoon business is clearly a cheap attempt to upset Muslims, get some controversy and sell more. Muslim-Bashing is nowadays the best way to score, whether politically or economically.
The debate on freedom of speech in this is not what interests me. On that level I do also believe that one must be able of publishing and saying anything. I do not believe in red lines, and I do not believe that anything should be above the freedom of human expression. I know that most Arabs and Muslims would disagree with me on this point, but this is not what bothers me, what bothers me is that most Europeans don’t realize that they also disagree with me.
Europeans think that freedom of speech is guaranteed in Europe, and that they are defending it against Islamic pressure. This is a view that is widely propagated and defended by groups from across the political spectrum. Reality, however, presents us Muslims living in Europe with another experience. Muslims and others in Europe can not say everything they often want to say and they risk being arrested and prosecuted if they do. Muslims and other religious people can not express their disgust from homosexuality and clearly state that they believe it’s a sickness and a deviation without being persecuted for being homophobic.
People in Europe are not allowed to do a free historical examination of the Second World War and the holocaust and freely express an opinion on it that is different than the dominating dogmatic line. Any attempt to have deviant historical examination of the holocaust will earn you the title of revisionist, anti-Semite and a jail sentence.
You don’t even have to go that far, I would be curious to see the reactions of these champions of the freedom of speech in case that same Danish paper would have published pictures of Jewish rabbi’s, or Moses for that matter, with a Jewish nose, the star of David and represented him as a greedy banker, or other form of economical parasite sucking the blood of the people referring to stereotypes on Jews. Or of King David with the same typical Jewish features and outfit conspiring together with other Jewish prophets to dominate the world inspired by the protocols of the Elders of Zion.
Yes Arabs and Muslims are uptight when you touch their religious and national symbols, but Europe had made of political correctness and the cult of the Holocaust and Jew-worshiping its alternative religion and is even more uptight when you touch that. Europeans might not respect their flags, and they might laugh with Jesus and Mary but if you touch their new religious symbols, they will bombard you with indignation and persecute you in the best European inquisition tradition.
I am for the absolute freedom of speech everywhere, and that’s why I call upon every free sole among Arabs to use the Danish flag as a substitute for toilet paper. To illustrate every wall with graffiti making fun of everything Europe holds as holy: dancing rabbis on the carcasses of Palestinian children, hoax gas-chambers built in Hollywood in 1946 with Steven Spielberg’s approval stamp, and Aids spreading fagots. Let us defend the absolute freedom of speech altogether, wouldn’t that be a noble cause?"
https://cst.org.uk/news/blog/2009/09/03/dyab-abou-jahjahs-holocaust-cartoon-prosecuted
Not quite. You'd think from that apologia that Jahjah is a reasonable man. Here's another photo of Jahjah.
He's been a member several times of Hezbollah, he's led race riots in Antwerp, anyone who criticises him is de facto a Zionist, just check his Twitter and Facebook timeline, it's riddled with the word. His organisation regularly publishes anti-semitic material including very recently an article questioning whether the holocaust really happened.
Regarding the race riots, here's a report of what he got up to: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...ist-sparked-riot-in-Antwerp-say-Belgians.html
"A former Hizbollah fighter was blamed by the Belgian authorities yesterday for inciting two days of race riots...after a Muslim schoolteacher was shot dead by a Belgian neighbour. The killer had serious psychiatric problems but the crime was instantly assumed to be a racist provocation....The Belgian government blamed Arab provocateurs yesterday. It turned the spotlight on Abou Jahjah, a Lebanese-born extremist and former Hizbollah fighter now known as the Malcolm X of Belgium's ethnic politics, claiming that he and his followers seized on the incident to inflame racial hatred....Guy Verhofstadt, the prime minister, told parliament he was considering a ban on Abou Jahjah's Antwerp-based ultra-radical group, the Arab-European League, for inciting violence, issuing threats and disturbing public order.
Handsome and smooth-talking, Abou Jahjah advocates a form of separatist apartheid for Belgium's 400,000 Muslims, demanding segregated schools, an end to "Flemish cultural terrorism" and recognition of Arabic as a fourth official language after Dutch, French and German....Belgian security services are more worried about the Islamic underground. A leaked report this summer concluded that Belgium had become a "logistical support base" for terrorist groups, including al-Qa'eda, the Algerian Armed Islamic Groups and the Hamas-linked Muslim Brotherhood...gangs have been preying on Hassidic children as they walk to school, forcing those identifiable as Jewish to move around with escorts."
But he's not anti-semitic. Oh no. It's those pesky Zionists who are trying to make him look bad.
Whatever
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Not quite. You'd think from that apologia that Jahjah is a reasonable man. Here's another photo of Jahjah.
He's been a member several times of Hezbollah, he's led race riots in Antwerp, anyone who criticises him is de facto a Zionist, just check his Twitter and Facebook timeline, it's riddled with the word. His organisation regularly publishes anti-semitic material including very recently an article questioning whether the holocaust really happened.
Regarding the race riots, here's a report of what he got up to: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...ist-sparked-riot-in-Antwerp-say-Belgians.html
"A former Hizbollah fighter was blamed by the Belgian authorities yesterday for inciting two days of race riots...after a Muslim schoolteacher was shot dead by a Belgian neighbour. The killer had serious psychiatric problems but the crime was instantly assumed to be a racist provocation....The Belgian government blamed Arab provocateurs yesterday. It turned the spotlight on Abou Jahjah, a Lebanese-born extremist and former Hizbollah fighter now known as the Malcolm X of Belgium's ethnic politics, claiming that he and his followers seized on the incident to inflame racial hatred....Guy Verhofstadt, the prime minister, told parliament he was considering a ban on Abou Jahjah's Antwerp-based ultra-radical group, the Arab-European League, for inciting violence, issuing threats and disturbing public order.
Handsome and smooth-talking, Abou Jahjah advocates a form of separatist apartheid for Belgium's 400,000 Muslims, demanding segregated schools, an end to "Flemish cultural terrorism" and recognition of Arabic as a fourth official language after Dutch, French and German....Belgian security services are more worried about the Islamic underground. A leaked report this summer concluded that Belgium had become a "logistical support base" for terrorist groups, including al-Qa'eda, the Algerian Armed Islamic Groups and the Hamas-linked Muslim Brotherhood...gangs have been preying on Hassidic children as they walk to school, forcing those identifiable as Jewish to move around with escorts."
But he's not anti-semitic. Oh no. It's those pesky Zionists who are trying to make him look bad.
JC answers all these types of claims in this lunchtime interview/phone ins, he is an anti war pacifist, who has fought racism, sexism for most of his adult life, where in this interview is he in any way supporting violence etc etc, its all a a bit Daily Mail left wingers run for hills, I am sure they will be saying he is in IS next, a bit like Millibands dad was a traitor and a trot and Ed was too!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p03048x8
Buzzer
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Answered clearly? I think the author Jeremy Duns has put it best:
I think we'll have to agree to disagree on the clarity of Corbyn's answers.
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Answered clearly? I think the author Jeremy Duns has put it best:
I think we'll have to agree to disagree on the clarity of Corbyn's answers.
If he hasn't answered the questions, which he clearly has, on a live Radio 4 news programme, then the chair/newreader should be sacked and we all then agree philosophically no one answers any questions ever....
The tweeter is a Daily Telegraph columnist as well to boot