Jeremy Corbyn.

[Horton's halftime iceberg]

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[Horton's halftime iceberg]

https://audioboom.com/boos/3439229-...llenges-cameron-on-stormont-welfare-stalemate


Won't condemn IRA violence. How on earth can he become prime minister?

John Major opened talks with them, Blair/Mo Molan were responsible for bringing in the Good Friday Agreement - they didn't resign over it?

 

[Machiavelli]

Peter Hain's intervention is one of the most thoughtful, and is worth a listen. He understands why Corbyn is gaining popularity and, quite rightly, links it to the lacklustre campaigns of the other candidates. That said, he has now switched from Burnham to Cooper.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p02zbb43

 

[Mackenzie]

John Major opened talks with them, Blair/Mo Molan were responsible for bringing in the Good Friday Agreement - they didn't resign over it?

I'm sorry, this bloke is a dead duck. He's given all the ammunition anyone could possible want for the.conservatives to spin him as an IRA sympathiser. Elect him a labour leader by all means but don't be surprised when this is thrown back in his face come election time.

That interview was political suicide.

 

[The Antikythera Mechanism]

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Think it'll be both, to be honest. In my opinion, they will become unelectable. Expect some sort of New Labour / Liberal amalgamation.

 

[glasfryn]

Think it'll be both, to be honest. In my opinion, they will become unelectable. Expect some sort of New Labour / Liberal amalgamation.

IMHO he is polarizing politics and after the mediocrity of the last few years he is a breathe of fresh air, whether he can win the next election I don't know, but he will fight the tories tooth and nail rather than supporting policies that might just as well be tory policies, or slightly watering down their(tories) and hoping the British public will fall for them. he might, just might be exactly what the British public want, policies that they can believe rather than more of the same old follow my leader stuff served up now.
If he does become leader of the Labour party I think he will surprize a few people including the tories

 

[Mackenzie]

IMHO he is polarizing politics and after the mediocrity of the last few years he is a breathe of fresh air, whether he can win the next election I don't know, but he will fight the tories tooth and nail rather than supporting policies that might just as well be tory policies, or slightly watering down their(tories) and hoping the British public will fall for them. he might, just might be exactly what the British public want, policies that they can believe rather than more of the same old follow my leader stuff served up now.
If he does become leader of the Labour party I think he will surprize a few people including the tories

What did you think of this interview? https://audioboom.com/boos/3439229-...llenges-cameron-on-stormont-welfare-stalemate

I want a strong Labour with a realistic chance of winning the next election btw.

 

[glasfryn]

What did you think of this interview? https://audioboom.com/boos/3439229-...llenges-cameron-on-stormont-welfare-stalemate

I want a strong Labour with a realistic chance of winning the next election btw.

he answered the question by saying political rather than military, thats what happened and by talking we now have some sort of peace in N Ireland, what many people do not realize is the IRA were at war with the British people, it matters not what you,I or anyone else says or thinks that was the bottom line, so someone had to make the first move.
I thought he handled the interview fairly well .........it would be interesting to know what political or religious stance the interviewer had.
jaw,jaw not war,war.
will always be my stance

 

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Hard lefties of NSC still living a deluded life in LA-LA Land.

 

[Mackenzie]

he answered the question by saying political rather than military, thats what happened and by talking we now have some sort of peace in N Ireland, what many people do not realize is the IRA were at war with the British people, it matters not what you,I or anyone else says or thinks that was the bottom line, so someone had to make the first move.
I thought he handled the interview fairly well .........it would be interesting to know what political or religious stance the interviewer had.
jaw,jaw not war,war.
will always be my stance

I listened to that interview and the following radio debate, having not taken any prior interest in the Labour leader contest, and came to the quick conclusion that he can't possibly ever be the British prime minister if he cannot condemn the actions of the IRA. No matter how good he is at his job the majority British population won't trust a man whose views on this are so at odds with their own.

To the average person the IRA are an terrorist organisation and easily dismissed as such.

 

[glasfryn]

I listened to that interview and the following radio debate, having not taken any interest in the Labour leader contest, and came to the quick conclusion that he can't possibly ever be the British prime minister if he cannot condemn the actions of the IRA. No matter how good he is at his job the majority British population won't trust a man whose views on this are so at odds with their own.

To the average person the IRA are an terrorist organisation and easily dismissed as such.

you are possibly right
but I will say the British public cannot remember what happened yesterday let alone last decade.

 

[Mackenzie]

you are possibly right
but I will say the British public cannot remember what happened yesterday let alone last decade.

Some of the voters in five years time wouldn't have even been born when the IRA were bombing and shooting people, but it won't stop Corbyn's opponents using this against him. That interview has really blown it for him, put it this way Glas, I'm a Labour voter but there is no way I'll vote for a party lead by Corbyn.

Surely there is an alternative out there. It's depressing!

 

[glasfryn]

Some of the voters in five years time wouldn't have even been born when the IRA were bombing and shooting people, but it won't stop Corbyn's opponents using this against him. That interview has really blown it for him, put it this way Glas, I'm a Labour voter but there is no way I'll vote for a party lead by Corbyn.

all the other candidates might as well be tories or at least watered down tories must say I am torn and might stick with the Greens for a while

 

[Mackenzie]

all the other candidates might as well be tories or at least watered down tories must say I am torn and might stick with the Greens for a while

Well, let's see what happens, Corbyn despite his unusual stance towards what happened in Ireland, might still be more palatable than another term of Cameron and his chums (a truly depressing thought!)

 

[The Antikythera Mechanism]

Corbyn is as electable as Michael Foot.

 

[Horton's halftime iceberg]

Corbyn is as electable as Michael Foot.

It speaks volumes for our political systems and processes about the type of persons who are electable.

With polls now putting him at 53% in the Labour election he will win without a run off, unless one of the other candidates actually attempts to step outside the spin of so called electable Westminster politicians.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Sorry HT, what he said doesnt cut it for me ,he was CLEARLYtrying to avoid condemning the IRA , it was quite clear to anyone listening ti the interview, please dont insult my intelligence by claiming otherwise he didnt get his answer at all , i dont want my PM to condemn all bombing , i want my PM to condemn , unequivocally the c**ts who murdered countless british people , and tried to murder me( you know who i am ), personally , you can have a sympathetic view to irish republicanism , and condemn the IRA unequivocally( see the SDLP) but Corbyn wont, because its obvious he doesnt.

I've listened to it a second time. Does he support the IRA? Nothing in the short interview suggests so. Did he wish to engender reconciliation via understanding and dialogue? I'd say yes from that short interview. Does he renounce all violence? Clearly stated twice. Was he close to the IRA? Yes. Does he want to get drawn into making a statement which has little point in 2015 now there is peace? Clearly not.

I understand your position. And from this interview we can both listen to it from our respective perspectives and get what we want to back our beliefs. I personally still do not believe he does, or has, supported the IRA though.

 

[glasfryn]

I've listened to it a second time. Does he support the IRA? Nothing in the short interview suggests so. Did he wish to engender reconciliation via understanding and dialogue? I'd say yes from that short interview. Does he renounce all violence? Clearly stated twice. Was he close to the IRA? Yes. Does he want to get drawn into making a statement which has little point in 2015 now there is peace? Clearly not.

I understand your position. And from this interview we can both listen to it from our respective perspectives and get what we want to back our beliefs. I personally still do not believe he does, or has, supported the IRA though.

I read somewhere that while Mo Molam was talking to the IRA she kept a straight talking attitude I am sure she did not like them a lot but still went on talking even with her illness, they respected her for that .



heres a question whould she be in this leadership contest if still alive?......................she would have got my vote.

 

[Buzzer]

I've listened to it a second time. Does he support the IRA? Nothing in the short interview suggests so. Did he wish to engender reconciliation via understanding and dialogue? I'd say yes from that short interview. Does he renounce all violence? Clearly stated twice. Was he close to the IRA? Yes. Does he want to get drawn into making a statement which has little point in 2015 now there is peace? Clearly not.

I understand your position. And from this interview we can both listen to it from our respective perspectives and get what we want to back our beliefs. I personally still do not believe he does, or has, supported the IRA though.

He had no mandate, implied or official to speak to terrorist organisations and from what I can find out, he had zero input into any part of the peace agreement. He wasn't consulted by either Major or Blair's government and neither does it appear that he offered any advice to either government. He also chose to be chummy with just one group of terrorists. If, as people are claiming, that he was trying to open dialogue with terrorist organisations then surely he would have consulted the loyalist paramilitaries too. There's zero evidence that he attempted to talk with them, invite them to the HoC, offer a minute's silence for dead loyalist terrorists etc etc etc. So the question remains "why was he so close to the IRA?"

I think Colin Parry, the father of one of the schoolboys murdered by Corbyn's chums is an excellent reference point here. He's called for peace from both sides time and again and spoken with both sets of terrorists and he had this to say about Corbyn's comments:

“When I saw the nature of the interview it didn’t surprise me. I think he saw an equivalence between the British Government’s armed forced and republican terrorists which I think anyone with a balanced view in Northern Ireland could hardly agree with.”

Given all of that, and of his past actions (minute's silence etc etc) I think a reasonable person would conclude that he has in the past supported the IRA, he just won't admit it.

 

[Buzzer]

And if anyone now says that Corbyn's views on Northern Ireland are irrelevant then perhaps his views of the Jewish race should be scrutinised. He hangs around wih and gives support to a great number of openly anti-semitic rabble-rousers/holocaust deniers and groups that want to wipe the Jews off the face of the earth.