Jeremy Corbyn.

[jakarta]

Wouldn't happen in Germany.

Obviously it DOES in Germany, which I don't think has had a significantly Left Wing Government since the good old days of the hilariously named German Democratic Republic.

They certainly manufactured stuff back in the day, trouble was it was stuff like MZ Motorcycles and Trabant Cars.

Funny I don't think I've seen an MZ or Trabby Showroom recently.

 

[El Presidente]

Obviously it DOES in Germany, which I don't think has had a significantly Left Wing Government since the good old days of the hilariously named German Democratic Republic.

They certainly manufactured stuff back in the day, trouble was it was stuff like MZ Motorcycles and Trabant Cars.

Funny I don't think I've seen an MZ or Trabby Showroom recently.

I think my Whoosh-O-Meter has just gone into the red [MENTION=409]Herr Tubthumper[/MENTION]

 

[jakarta]

I think my Whoosh-O-Meter has just gone into the red [MENTION=409]Herr Tubthumper[/MENTION]

You can go and do one smart arse, I'm pointing out that the only European Country partitioned into Socialist and Capitalist had very different outcomes in terms of manufacturing.

Corbyn can spout off as much as he wants about encouraging manufacturing, the truth of the matter is socialist governments do not generate high class manufacturing, they tend to generate shit like Ladas and Ilyushins.

The FDR, on the other hand made things people liked & wanted - BMW or Mercedes anyone?

Or perhaps you would like me to discuss the differing manufacturing prowess of North & South Korea?

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

You can go and do one smart arse, I'm pointing out that the only European Country partitioned into Socialist and Capitalist had very different outcomes in terms of manufacturing.

Corbyn can spout off as much as he wants about encouraging manufacturing, the truth of the matter is socialist governments do not generate high class manufacturing, they tend to generate shit like Ladas and Ilyushins.

The FDR, on the other hand made things people liked & wanted - BMW or Mercedes anyone?

Or perhaps you would like me to discuss the differing manufacturing prowess of North & South Korea?

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

I think my Whoosh-O-Meter has just gone into the red [MENTION=409]Herr Tubthumper[/MENTION]

Agree!

 

[Ernest]

I hope Corbyn does win the Labour leadership. That'll mean that we won't have a Labour Government either in 2020. Yippee.

Wouldn't matter as you still won't be old enough to vote then

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Obviously it DOES in Germany, which I don't think has had a significantly Left Wing Government since the good old days of the hilariously named German Democratic Republic.

They certainly manufactured stuff back in the day, trouble was it was stuff like MZ Motorcycles and Trabant Cars.

Funny I don't think I've seen an MZ or Trabby Showroom recently.

Which Germany are you referring to? If it's the Federal Republic of Germany (aka West Germany during the partition) then you are overlooking about two decades worth of Brandt, Schmitt and Schroder's socialist governments. But do carry on.

 

[jakarta]

Which Germany are you referring to? If it's the Federal Republic of Germany (aka West Germany during the partition) then you are overlooking about two decades worth of Brandt, Schmitt and Schroder's socialist governments. But do carry on.

Please read my posts, I said a SIGNIFICANTLY Left wing Government.

Brandt et al were Social Democrats, if you believe a Corbyn-led Labour Government will pursue the same policies as they did then you are fooling yourself.

 

[cunning fergus]

I have to admit I'm warming to Corbyn, see my post above. That said, if he did previously state he supported the IRA, but had now changed his position, could you forgive him?

Whether or not he supports the IRA he has a lot in common politically with a generally hard left wing party like Sinn Fein, who are arguably the most eurosceptic political party in Ireland.

Corbyn and SF are generally hostile to the EU project as it was initially designed and being run because of its corporatist bias…..……..during the Maastricht Treaty debate in the HOC on 20 May 1992 Corbyn said:

“The Maastricht treaty……..takes away from national Parliaments the power to set economic policy and hands it over to an unelected set of bankers who will impose the economic policies of price stability, deflation and high unemployment throughout the European Community.”

The implications of giving power to these unelected bankers is now understood as a consequence of the ongoing euro crisis, and his general sentiment was right………….as he also is with the imminent TTIP treaty, where he said recently:

“This is not a traditional trade agreement but it is all about deregulating society, removing social standards and environmental regulations and ensuring that public services are opened up to private enterprise…… The EU is continuing to pursue its central goal of being a place where big business has free rein to operate.”

His evident political socialist convictions are a breath of fresh air to the old socialists who remember how suspicious Labour used to be of the monetarists that took over the Party in the 90s, removed clause IV and dropped their traousers and bent over to the banks.

However, as with those fighting the mainstream I suspect he will be treated as anti EU crank and an alarmist by the pro EU tory capitalists in the Labour Party and the media who are so in thrall to big business and the EU.

It’s good news that Corbyn is calling these ersatz socialists in the Labour Party out………………they must be crying into their sparkling Riesling.

 

[drew]

I think the point was you were referring to GDR which was an Eastern Bloc police state with unelected government. HT is referring to West Germany.

 

[Seasidesage]

Whether you agree with his policies or not, and it's mostly not for me. He is something almost unheard of these days a conviction politician. For that reason I would like to see him given the chance. Labour's attempts to be the Tory Lite party has failed miserably and people need to be given a clear choice between Austerity and something else which IMO hasn't been offered thus far.

 

[warmleyseagull]

Had a few notes on Corbyn at 4/1 a week ago. Shortened now to 11/4 on Paddy Power. Gotta say surprised he is still as long as this given the reported flood of £3 Labour 'supporters' from the young, Far Left and Telegraph readers.

 

[warmleyseagull]

Whether you agree with his policies or not, and it's mostly not for me. He is something almost unheard of these days a conviction politician. For that reason I would like to see him given the chance. Labour's attempts to be the Tory Lite party has failed miserably and people need to be given a clear choice between Austerity and something else which IMO hasn't been offered thus far.

Not sure it is true that the attempt to be Tory Lite has failed. It is that that got them three election victories. Corbyn is a conviction politician, but problem is that does not cut the mustard in the day to day of politics when you have to deal with real issues. There has to be an element of pragmatism in any politician with real power as the unexpected occurs constantly and 'conviction' doesn't always have the answer.

 

[Igzilla]

Whether you agree with his policies or not, and it's mostly not for me. He is something almost unheard of these days a conviction politician. For that reason I would like to see him given the chance. Labour's attempts to be the Tory Lite party has failed miserably and people need to be given a clear choice between Austerity and something else which IMO hasn't been offered thus far.

I'm of a similar outlook, but a Government under Corbyn is probably no less scary than one under Cameron.

 

[Hampster Gull]

Whether you agree with his policies or not, and it's mostly not for me. He is something almost unheard of these days a conviction politician. For that reason I would like to see him given the chance. Labour's attempts to be the Tory Lite party has failed miserably and people need to be given a clear choice between Austerity and something else which IMO hasn't been offered thus far.

This isnt austerity, just look towards greece, ireland etc. media hype. "New" labour werent tory light, they were left of centre in their policies and eventually pushed the country into deep financial difficulties as labour parties do. But i am with you, i think the country should be given the choice btw a centre right and a hard left party

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Please read my posts, I said a SIGNIFICANTLY Left wing Government.

Brandt et al were Social Democrats, if you believe a Corbyn-led Labour Government will pursue the same policies as they did then you are fooling yourself.

And Corbyn has said he's a social democrat. He pretty much said as much on the Marr show.

 

[alfredmizen]

I have to admit I'm warming to Corbyn, see my post above. That said, if he did previously state he supported the IRA, but had now changed his position, could you forgive him?

No, a man who is capable of doing what he did , whilst our troops were being killed by these c vnts, i'd never trust him, not in a million years.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Whether or not he supports the IRA he has a lot in common politically with a generally hard left wing party like Sinn Fein, who are arguably the most eurosceptic political party in Ireland.

Corbyn and SF are generally hostile to the EU project as it was initially designed and being run because of its corporatist bias…..……..during the Maastricht Treaty debate in the HOC on 20 May 1992 Corbyn said:

“The Maastricht treaty……..takes away from national Parliaments the power to set economic policy and hands it over to an unelected set of bankers who will impose the economic policies of price stability, deflation and high unemployment throughout the European Community.”

The implications of giving power to these unelected bankers is now understood as a consequence of the ongoing euro crisis, and his general sentiment was right………….as he also is with the imminent TTIP treaty, where he said recently:

“This is not a traditional trade agreement but it is all about deregulating society, removing social standards and environmental regulations and ensuring that public services are opened up to private enterprise…… The EU is continuing to pursue its central goal of being a place where big business has free rein to operate.”

His evident political socialist convictions are a breath of fresh air to the old socialists who remember how suspicious Labour used to be of the monetarists that took over the Party in the 90s, removed clause IV and dropped their traousers and bent over to the banks.

However, as with those fighting the mainstream I suspect he will be treated as anti EU crank and an alarmist by the pro EU tory capitalists in the Labour Party and the media who are so in thrall to big business and the EU.

It’s good news that Corbyn is calling these ersatz socialists in the Labour Party out………………they must be crying into their sparkling Riesling.

Responding to a comment about the IRA and second sentence you're on about the EU. Can you mention nazis so we're done for today please.

 

[alfredmizen]

Just to pick up as others have already, support for a 'United Ireland' it as its just lowest levels for nearly twenty years at 16%, this is even the case with the traditional support which comes from the Catholic Community - as way under a majority support a United Ireland (35%). Also support for Nationalist political parties is at its lowest point since the Belfast / Good Friday Agreement.

There were 38 % of catholics wanting to stay in the union in some studies , rising to over 50 % in others.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

A united Ireland is only a matter of time, but it will be a bumpy journey

I can't see this in my life time.