Jeremy Corbyn.

[alfredmizen]

Well as I don't think he's a traitor, yes I do think he's fit to lead the country. Inviting Adams and McGuinness to the House of Commons and observing a minutes silence doesn't quite back up your whole "he backed the IRA" train of thought. All the former suggests to me is that he believed starting a dialogue between the British government and Adams and McGuinnes might aid peace talks and diplomacy. Unless you have CONCRETE evidence (so far all you have are the aforementioned pieced together by your own point of view) of him openly admitting that he supported the IRA it's all conjecture.

I doubt you beleive ANY of what youve just written.

 

[alfredmizen]

Must admit, I totally missed the bit where I said I backed the IRA. I'm afraid with that you've lost what little credence I was willing to give you. Consider our conversation over and yourself blocked you cretinous little c*nt.

i certainly missed the bit where you wholeheartedly denied it , an accusation like that aimed at me would've seen me vehemently putting you straight ASAP, you still havent really, and now i'm ''blocked'' , really? How very convenient, now you dont have to answer any awkward questions about your , at the very least, tacit support of terrorists.

 

[alfredmizen]

A united Ireland is only a matter of time, but it will be a bumpy journey

Really , what makes you think that ?

 

[alfredmizen]

I will talk in your Tommy this, Tommy that level. You had no place to be a hero in Ireland and you can stick your VC up your ****.

This , is incoherent, unintelligible drivel, its unanswerable.

 

[alfredmizen]

The IRA are right up your street. Right Wing Nationalists. They did not want YOU in their Island. Instead of you wanting a political alliance, with like minded Nationalists, you followed your Officers' orders and fought them in their Own land.
What has your military heroism got to do with the Labour Leadership nominations?

Yet more, drivel,calling the marxist IRA right wing nationalists proves it.

 

[alfredmizen]

#stalkeralert

you really dont see the irony in this post do you ?

 

[Tarpon]

Pringles for breakfast then.

 

[Elvis]

A united Ireland is only a matter of time, but it will be a bumpy journey

A few years ago I would have agreed with you. Nowadays I'm not so sure. If I were a moderate nationalist living in Belfast who had little time for the Queen and the UK. Would I really want to chuck it all away for a United Ireland that owes alot of money to the EU ( we all know how that potentially ends up ). To be run by SF who are the majority party on Dublin City Council and making a bit of a hash of it. The infrastructure of NI gets a good deal out of the UK tax payer. I'm not sure they would want to vote to leave it and join a weaker economy.
Please note I am refering to what I believe the view of Moderate Nationalists may be. I am well aware that there are nutters on both side of the divide. What this has got to do with Jeremy Corbyn is anyones guess! however whoever wins the leadership contest is unlikely to still be the leader at the next GE.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

I haven't given much thought to any of the candidates to be honest. I'm underwhelmed by all of them and still reeling from the disappointment of the last election. I've taken on board what you have written though. I'll also read further and see if I can understand Corbyn's reasons and then decide. I genuinely don't know enough about this particular issue to make an opinion at the moment. I'll let you know next week.

As a follow up I have looked into this and can't find any meaningful reports regarding Corbyn's alleged support of the IRA. From what I've found I conclude he does/did support "Troops Out" and a united Ireland but this falls well short of actual support for the IRA. And I also can't find anything meaningful regarding the most contentious item which is his one-minute silence. It might have happened, might not, if it did what's the context? I'm not doubting this, more I can't find any direct quotes or context.

 

[Blue Valkyrie]

Corbyn or Boris next election.


What a terrible thought.

 

[glasfryn]

Corbyn or Boris next election.


What a terrible thought.

anyone from the Labour party or gideon thats even worse

 

[alfredmizen]

As a follow up I have looked into this and can't find any meaningful reports regarding Corbyn's alleged support of the IRA. From what I've found I conclude he does/did support "Troops Out" and a united Ireland but this falls well short of actual support for the IRA. And I also can't find anything meaningful regarding the most contentious item which is his one-minute silence. It might have happened, might not, if it did what's the context? I'm not doubting this, more I can't find any direct quotes or context.

Take it from me i remember him on TV supporting them , i also remember livingstone being directly asked ''do you support the IRA?'' his answer , ''i always support people fighting for their freedom'', try finding that quote now , same for corbyn.

 

[alfredmizen]

A few years ago I would have agreed with you. Nowadays I'm not so sure. If I were a moderate nationalist living in Belfast who had little time for the Queen and the UK. Would I really want to chuck it all away for a United Ireland that owes alot of money to the EU ( we all know how that potentially ends up ). To be run by SF who are the majority party on Dublin City Council and making a bit of a hash of it. The infrastructure of NI gets a good deal out of the UK tax payer. I'm not sure they would want to vote to leave it and join a weaker economy.
Please note I am refering to what I believe the view of Moderate Nationalists may be. I am well aware that there are nutters on both side of the divide. What this has got to do with Jeremy Corbyn is anyones guess! however whoever wins the leadership contest is unlikely to still be the leader at the next GE.

youre correct , there is a significant minority, or maybe even a majority of catholics who wish to remain in the union.

 

[Kuipers Supporters Club]

A united Ireland is only a matter of time, but it will be a bumpy journey

Just to pick up as others have already, support for a 'United Ireland' it as its just lowest levels for nearly twenty years at 16%, this is even the case with the traditional support which comes from the Catholic Community - as way under a majority support a United Ireland (35%). Also support for Nationalist political parties is at its lowest point since the Belfast / Good Friday Agreement.

 

[synavm]

Be careful what you wish for...

I'm in agreement with this. Corbyn's macroeconomics are extremely promising and are radical enough to trigger a real anti-austerity movement.

I previously questioned the plausibility of Corbyn's policies, but I don't think Corbyn's ideology fits completely within 'old school socialism', there is far more of a focus on delivering economic growth than you would have expected from the old left- from Foot or Benn for example. Of course, Corbyn believes that a strong economy should deliver a fairer society and strong public service for it's people, as opposed to the ever widening income disparity levels and shrinking of the state that you see now (without significant economic growth either) .

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

I'm in agreement with this. Corbyn's macroeconomics are extremely promising and are radical enough to trigger a real anti-austerity movement.

I previously questioned the plausibility of Corbyn's policies, but I don't think Corbyn's ideology fits completely within 'old school socialism', there is far more of a focus on delivering economic growth than you would have expected from the old left- from Foot or Benn for example. Of course, Corbyn believes that a strong economy should deliver a fairer society and strong public service for it's people, as opposed to the ever widening income disparity levels and shrinking of the state that you see now (without significant economic growth either) .

I was particularly impressed with his focus on UK manufacturing and how this needs to greatly improve. He said "we're good at designing things but not good at making things" which is so true.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Take it from me i remember him on TV supporting them , i also remember livingstone being directly asked ''do you support the IRA?'' his answer , ''i always support people fighting for their freedom'', try finding that quote now , same for corbyn.

I have to admit I'm warming to Corbyn, see my post above. That said, if he did previously state he supported the IRA, but had now changed his position, could you forgive him?

 

[El Presidente]

we're good at designing things but not good at making things" which is so true.

Wouldn't happen in Germany.

 

[Zebedee]

I hope Corbyn does win the Labour leadership. That'll mean that we won't have a Labour Government either in 2020. Yippee.

 

[Vegas Seagull]

Into 2nd favourite now overtaking Cooper this afternoon, keep signing up people, the bandwagon is unstoppable
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