[Politics] Jeremy Corbyn and a new political party.

[Lower West Stander]

Nearly 14 million in 2017, and just over 10 million in 2019. But , as you say, a rather small minority.

Sigh….


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[zefarelly]

What should the marginal rate of (all direct) tax be on a high earner or business owner?

What kind of a response is that? Thats like me asking you what the optimum tappet clearence for an endurance race engine running a cosworth A8 cam should be

 

[Weststander]

What kind of a response is that? Thats like me asking you what the optimum tappet clearence for an endurance race engine running a cosworth A8 cam should be

I wanted to get a genuine answer, without yet mentioning my clear view.

 

[London Irish]

It’s nonsense. I can assure you that whatever JC decides to do, the Telegraph will be the last to know

 

[zefarelly]

I wanted to get a genuine answer, without yet mentioning my clear view.

Probably better off asking an economist, not a teacher or a joiner/carpenter.

Especially as he doesn't read the Mail or the Sun, as he won't have the answers you want to hand

 

[Weststander]

Nearly 14 million in 2017, and just over 10 million in 2019. But , as you say, a rather small minority.

Including a load of lifelong Labour voters on nsc, who openly couldn’t stick Corbyn and his politics.

“Least of two evils” was mentioned.

 

[Weststander]

Probably better off asking an economist, not a teacher or a joiner/carpenter.

Especially as he doesn't read the Mail or the Sun, as he won't have the answers you want to hand

Must be a lot of nsc economists then …. hit high earners with a …..% (specified) tax rate has been common theme over the years.

 

[Lower West Stander]

Including a load of lifelong Labour voters on nsc, who openly couldn’t stick Corbyn and his politics.

“Least of two evils” was mentioned.

Pointless arguing mate.


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[Weststander]

Pointless arguing mate.


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I’m fine.

Labour friends here made no bones about a loathing of Corbyn’s reign and his past as a disrupter of 1997 to 2010.

 

[BadFish]

The kidz know.

What a wanker!!!

It is lucky you guys voted for the Conservatives.

 

[A1X]

The prospect of a party of all the talents - a Corbyn-Farage coalition.

A veritable “who’s that?” of British political talent

 

[BadFish]

So much bile. How dare a politician attempt to oppose privatisation of public services, address the massive iniquities in society, tax the rich, build social housing, make an effort to reverse climate change, give people greater rights in the workplace, support refugees, supply wi-fi to those who need it, take the railway back into public hands, oppose the unlimited power of property developers. Let's hope his ideas die a death and we can snuggle between Boris and Starmer's visions of a continuation of greed and flag waving tripe.

It all sounds good to me, won't wash with the UK electorate though.

You lot clearly prefer a conservative government (for some reason).

Good on Jeremy for trying to make the world a better place . . . in the face of extreme resistance.

 

[Nobby Cybergoat]

So much bile. How dare a politician attempt to oppose privatisation of public services, address the massive iniquities in society, tax the rich, build social housing, make an effort to reverse climate change, give people greater rights in the workplace, support refugees, supply wi-fi to those who need it, take the railway back into public hands, oppose the unlimited power of property developers. Let's hope his ideas die a death and we can snuggle between Boris and Starmer's visions of a continuation of greed and flag waving tripe.

Your comments are fair.

I personally think Labour are better off under Starmer, and I think that Corbyn, was in the end, promoted above his ability and had a few entrenched views which are so far apart from the majority of the population that it wasn't really ever tenable for him to be PM.

However. He is a fundamentally decent man who has spent his entire life trying to improve the lives of others. Those on here conflating him with the greedy, corrupt, power thirsty mob we have at the moment have been conned into thinking he is something he's not. As you mention, lots of the policies you list are obviously desirable

 

[maltaseagull]

This thread is brilliant, let’s talk about Corbyn’s inevitably shit party rather than the illegal and insulting party the PM had in his garden over lockdown in 2020.

Why not start your own thread about that?

 

[BadFish]

What should the marginal rate of (all direct) tax be on a high earner or business owner?

I would say around 40%

How much tax should our huge multinational corporations pay in the countries they operate in?

Perhaps one could offset the other?

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...ts-to-35bn-almost-half-say-campaigners-due-to

This is interesting:

"Boris Johnson’s government has announced £36bn a year of tax-raising measures over the past three months in response to growing pressure on the public finances, in a development that economists expect will lift the UK’s tax take to the highest levels as a percentage of GDP in 70 years"

So there is a 35bn shortfall in expected tax because people/companies are avoiding and evading their tax responsibilities. The solution is not to close the avoidance/evasion loop holes but rather increase taxes on those who actually pay it cover the short fall.

Some would argue that this is more evidence on who your conservative government represent.

 

[Lower West Stander]

Your comments are fair.

I personally think Labour are better off under Starmer, and I think that Corbyn, was in the end, promoted above his ability and had a few entrenched views which are so far apart from the majority of the population that it wasn't really ever tenable for him to be PM.

However. He is a fundamentally decent man who has spent his entire life trying to improve the lives of others. Those on here conflating him with the greedy, corrupt, power thirsty mob we have at the moment have been conned into thinking he is something he's not. As you mention, lots of the policies you list are obviously desirable

I’m sure there are many of the Jewish faith who may not agree with that….


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[deletebeepbeepbeep]

Corbyn won't be starting a new party as he is too much a part of the Labour political machine and also because he is not ruthless enough. If he was he would have done a better job of getting rid of the neoliberal wankers from the party when he had the chance.

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

With John McDonnall as his right hand man
and of course this treasure making up the three wise monkeys

Could do a job

https://youtu.be/EI33riFzzk8

Regards
DF

 

[BadFish]

Your comments are fair.

I personally think Labour are better off under Starmer, and I think that Corbyn, was in the end, promoted above his ability and had a few entrenched views which are so far apart from the majority of the population that it wasn't really ever tenable for him to be PM.

However. He is a fundamentally decent man who has spent his entire life trying to improve the lives of others. Those on here conflating him with the greedy, corrupt, power thirsty mob we have at the moment have been conned into thinking he is something he's not. As you mention, lots of the policies you list are obviously desirable

I am not in the UK and genuinely would be interested to know what these views you refer to are?

You second paragraph seems to be on the money from where I am standing.

 

[Nobby Cybergoat]

I am not in the UK and genuinely would be interested to know what these views you refer to are?

You second paragraph seems to be on the money from where I am standing.

Yeh, in particular on foreign policy, his stated views are well out of step with NATO allies especially in the Middle East, but also on Irish independence. His stated views on abolishing the monarchy as well would have created difficulties if he became PM. I'm not necessarily saying that these views are bad, just that it's hard to lead when you have strongly held views which go against the majority of the electorate