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Yes, of course , how silly of me.
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James Mclean - Sunderland refused to wear shirt with poppy on
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Yes, of course , how silly of me.
Why would I? You are saying what you saw and experienced - nothing for anyone to contradict. Same as with Bushy's experiences with 2Para - nobody is disputing what he experienced first hand - only questionning whether those experiences gave him a balanced view of BOTH sides of the divide.
In your opinion.
In his, to wear the poppy would have shown a greater disrespect to his own community. It was for him alone to weigh that up.
Pointless argument bushy. If the chap wants to tell us that his mother raised him as a hard-line bigot, fair enough. The fact she married(?) an Englishman, and a Protestant, cast some doubt on that. That's all.
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Ahem, 1st bn Grenadier Guards !!
kjgood
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I'm the 'Quote by CallumTulley' 'murderer of thirteen innocents' from 2 Para.
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I know mate, were you 2 para or just attached ?
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It is an individual choice, there is no law that says you have to wear one, and it's everybody's individual choice if they so wish, to think he's an ignorant c*unt for choosing not to.
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Yes I know the free state also exists in part of the North of Ireland but that doesn't mean to say that the troubles didn't occur in the north of Ireland, because they did, they didn't occur in the south or midlands did they? Fine, they occurred in the North east of Ireland. Happy now?
The RUC existed before the provisional I.R.A. You should really check your 'facts' because it is quite embarrassing for you when a 16 year old boy has to correct them. Also the U.V.F technically existed before the provisionals, though of course not before the I.R.A of the easter rising so this mistake of yours is understandable. Also you can not say that today they want to be part of the United Kingdom because the referendum was a while ago now. Since then support for Sinn Fein, the SDLP and 'dissidents' has gone up (although there is no evidence to say that dissident support has gone up so I can understand why people might want to dismiss this claim. However what is factual is that membership of the 32csm is increasing on a slow but consistent and progressive scale.)
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Of course the RUC were around before the provisional IRA. As a 16 year old boy you should perhaps check your definition of sprung up, although you may learn this as you progress through higher education (if you ever get that far).
As you point out your age, maybe it is relevant to point out that these views are very distorted, and are very unlikely to have come from yourself, seeing as you were only just walking when the Good Friday Agreement was signed.
You talk about the majority not wanting to be a part of The United Kingdom, when in fact in the recent 2010 General election the DUP were the largest party in Northern Ireland and large Unionist parties received 100,000 votes more than those with a Republican background.
It is also interesting to add that most people in the 'free state' (your words) in fact don't want the 'North east of Ireland' (your words again) to join their Country for many reasons which I could write an essay on. But I won't bore you with that, as you probably have GCSE's or AS exams to study for.
On Monday the 17th of June, 1940 at 3.48pm the requisitioned Cunard cruise liner, Lancastria came under attack from enemy aircraft. She received three direct hits from a German Junkers 88 bomber and within 20 minutes, the 16,243-ton luxury liner sank, taking with her an estimated 4,000 victims. The sinking is the worst single disaster in British maritime history, and claimed more victims than the sinking of the Titanic and Lusitania combined. It is also the largest single loss of life for British forces in the whole of World War 2. It is a disaster which has remained largely forgotten by the history books and that in part has led to a silence which continues to this day.
My grandad died on this ship, he was 29. My dad fought in Malaya 1952, my Uncle was in a POW camp after being shot down. My Aunty joined the WRAF whilst underage.
None of them are around to remember the day.......so i did.
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Don't tell me that by 'sprung up' you didn't mean founded. The fact I couldn't walk when Sinn Fein and indeed the DUP sold out means nothing because unless you served in Ireland or lived in Ireland your knowledge on the matter can be the same as mine, obviously it may be better and indeed it may not be as good. The fact you watched the troubles unfold on the news in England doesn't mean you know any better than me. We could both probably write essays on the subject but while you won't bore me with views and facts that aren't going to change my opinion, I won't do the same to you either, but of course I could. I have never said the majority do not want to be part of the United Kingdom, I have said that we do not know. But in the words of Mirian Price 'a republican isn't about entering a popularity contest'.
I have acquired deep knowledge upon this because of my mother's, my grandparent's and my auntie's and uncle's (of which there are many) first hand experience's of the troubles. Not only this but instead of revising for my GCSE's and now AS exams I constantly research the troubles and indeed earlier struggles for Irish Independence. I know more thank you think, a lot more.
I have acquired deep knowledge upon this because of my mother's, my grandparent's and my auntie's and uncle's (of which there are many) first hand experience's of the troubles. Not only this but instead of revising for my GCSE's and now AS exams I constantly research the troubles and indeed earlier struggles for Irish Independence. I know more thank you think, a lot more.
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When I say you, I don't mean you were the person who murdered them, of course not. By you I mean the army for whom you were fighting for. I have a right to live in this country because my father is english, and I have already said this. I do support democracy, but a country can not have democracy when it is ruled by a foreign state. Your level of hypocrisy is really quite amusing. During the troubles catholics were denied basic civil right, treated as second class citizens, denied certain jobs. Is that your idea of democracy? Didn't think so. The army you fought with were responsible for the deaths of many innocent people. Is that your idea of democracy? Didn't think so. Of course, the Irish rebels did many things that weren't democratic, but that was in the cause for unity. I'm not justifying the things the IRA did that weren't democratic (obviously you will say everything they did wasn't democratic but when I talk about them not being democratic I mean through the killings of innocent people and the knee cappings of petty criminals). But unfortunately, in any war you look at, you will often find things that are far from democracy occur in order to bring about greater democracy than there was previously. I know that I don't need to tell you that as you have experienced this first hand.
I do often 'go home', or back to Ardoyne as I would rather put it. But i'm in Hove, England. I am home, living in the county of my fathers birth place.
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Maybe its just me but I always understood that it wasnt just our lads we were remembering. I thought we were remebering all those people who fought and lost their lives believing they were defending their freedom. Of course in the UK it is UK-focussed but as a child I was always indoctrinated into its universality.... so I respected such a practise wherever I was. BUT I dont wear a poppy in Turkey because there is no point.... doesnt change me respecting the dead though. Ergo unless I am a sheep who just does what everyone else does, the wearing of a poppy does not in any way change my respect.
If mclean wants to make a point its his to make. personally I think he doesnt need to say anything or do anythign but if he wants to make it an issue... more fool he.
If mclean wants to make a point its his to make. personally I think he doesnt need to say anything or do anythign but if he wants to make it an issue... more fool he.
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Not such a foreign state to you then is it ?
Who do you support at an intenational football level ?
what passport do you travel back and forth on ?
Does Turkey have an equivalent to our Remembrance Day? I'd expect them to remember those who fell defending Gallipoli as we do those who died trying to take it.
I remember being very impressed by Ataturk's comments regarding the allied soldiers who died in that campaign. He spoke with great respect.
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doesnt need one as its the same country.
Dr. Notthenineo'clocknews
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would need one to board an aircraft though (since 9/11)
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I never said it was a foreign state to me, but to the I.R.A.
I don't really take an interest in international football so not really anyone.
I travel back and forth on a British passport, why wouldn't I? Having being born in Britain with an English parent. I didn't call Ardoyne my home, someone else did and i quoted it saying i'd rather call it Ardyone.