Islam and the UK - can it ever work?

[London Irish]

CUN T OFF ENGIMA

Put on your favourite Gill Scott-Heron records. You've stirred up enough racists for today

 

[Mr Burns]

Burns are you EVER going to answer whether you're racist or not? Seeing as you accused me of this, its only fair!

And wheres your famous plan that would have saved all the jews?

All I said was more could have been done to help the Jews. And more could have been done to help the Jews help selves. I never talked about a plan to save them all so sad vile little shit. It was just a overall thought.
But then if you dont twist peoples replies you dont have much to say, do you racist. Check out Twats quote at the top of page 4. Typical lets ignore what was said and make them out to love Hitler.
As I've said, people like you do more harm to your cause than good. all you seem to manage a few words each post, normally trying to belittle someone aong the way. At least I try and explain what i write, whether you agree with it or not. But just trying to twist it so it falls into your line of think is sad, and as I say, probably does your argument more harm than good to the casual viewer.

 

[The British National Party]

I have a question for you LI. The recent violent muslim protests over these cartoons have raised the issue of free speech.

This is a personal view - but I believe that governments and police have cowered in the face of violence by the extremists.

They should be unreservedly condemning the protests and banners over what was a mild piss-take by a not-very-good cartoonist - but they are not.

If you give in to this mob over this, you are going down a very slippery slope, which is basically that if a group threatens enough mayhem then papers/broadcaters will not show stuff out of fear. That's basically South Africa of the 60s/70s.

The media have also been cowardly in not reprinting the cartoons. I understand why - their own safety and that of their staff - I just don't agree with it. Christians have the piss taken out of them, the muslims should be no different.

Surely you have to be on the side of free speech? What if it was a left-wing journalist in some South American dictatorship being having his life threatened for his/her views? I don't think your position is consistent.

Why should we in the west forego a long-held tradition of satire just because some thin-skinned nutters can't handle it?

The Labour fans on here only want one voice to be heard and if any other person who views their opinion is regarded as a racist bigots. Does free speech only apply too Muslims and not Non Muslims, well, going by some of the posts on here then it seems all British non Muslims are racist scum.?

I suppose I'm a rasict for looking at this. Maybe I should become a Mulsim, wouldn't get hassle then would I.

 

[London Irish]

Cleverer than the voices in yours

Do you actually think these one-liners are any good?

 

[Hunting 784561]

Do you actually think these one-liners are any good?

Why thank you. Yes I do

You should calm down a bit.

 

[WATFORD O]

i AM A BIG FAN OF GSH.............

 

[DJ Leon]

I think Hitler was slightly more tolerant than youve ever been, Stephen.

This comment ends my search to find the stupidest thing ever said on NSC. It's had some tough competition recently, but in the end it's romped it.

 

[enigma]

I never accused you of anything. You used a term, "white trash" and then admitted you were racist for using it.

You implied I was racist, I accepted it. Perhaps not an outright accusation, but not far off.

Never mind that you called me racist several times after...

I just find it hilarious that you think you aren't racist when you clearly are. You're quick to jump on me for a comment, but then are too scared to admit what you said! Coward.

And wheres your masterplan for the jews survival?

Your ability to dodge questions is remarkable.

 

[enigma]

All I said was more could have been done to help the Jews. And more could have been done to help the Jews help selves. I never talked about a plan to save them all so sad vile little shit. It was just a overall thought.
But then if you dont twist peoples replies you dont have much to say, do you racist. Check out Twats quote at the top of page 4. Typical lets ignore what was said and make them out to love Hitler.
As I've said, people like you do more harm to your cause than good. all you seem to manage a few words each post, normally trying to belittle someone aong the way. At least I try and explain what i write, whether you agree with it or not. But just trying to twist it so it falls into your line of think is sad, and as I say, probably does your argument more harm than good to the casual viewer.

Sad vile little shit?

From the idiot that said Asians are a plague? HAHAHAHAHA

I am actually fully laughing out loud now!

Just admit you're a racist... Then maybe your opinions can be taken seriously.

And if you've got the time to read, that is if you have finished your thesis on how the jews could have fought the might of the Nazis, you would have realised I have had my say earlier in this topic.

Just because you've read a couple of Nick Griffins pamphlets, dont think you can patronise me.

 

[Mr Burns]

You implied I was racist, I accepted it. Perhaps not an outright accusation, but not far off.

Never mind that you called me racist several times after...

I just find it hilarious that you think you aren't racist when you clearly are. You're quick to jump on me for a comment, but then are too scared to admit what you said! Coward.

And wheres your masterplan for the jews survival?

Your ability to dodge questions is remarkable.

No I do not consider myself racist, but you obviously do.

I label you racist since, as you called yourself it?!?

As I said in the post above, I never said I had a masterplan, but this is exactly the comment I expect, you've ignored what i said. Because I thought more could have been done to help them, doesn't mean I have a masterplan to do it. Thats your line about the masterplan I've meant to have had.

I think more could be done to help old people in this country, doesn't mean I have a masterplan to do it!

 

[Barnham Seagull]

Hitler came to power as other facist movements (and comunist) did in Europe becasuse people living in these countries began to feel disinfranchised with politics, parties at the time were neither left or right so people with moderate views on either side felt that they were not being represented married to the fact of social and economic difficulties. This falls straight into the hands of extremists i.e Nazi party, Italian Facists etc. By telling the people what they wanted to hear not their extreme views they gained power and when they got there out came all the extreme policies, In my veiw unless politics change we could end up repeating history in time!

The idiots in London on Friday should have been arrested, you cannot let people get away with that sort of behaviour in one hand and give me a speeding ticket for going 4 mph over the limit or hit a pro foxing protester over the head with a baton in the other.


Unfortunately it seems we are heading towards a them and us situation with moslems, I hope all the idiots in istanbul are proud of them selves as im sure the Danish have given aid and help to the turks when they have suffered earthquakes!

Irish you need to get into the real world!

 

[Gerbil]

The event was excellently policed.

So tell us all,if the guy in the "suicide bomber" kit was for real and he'd let it go off killing people would the event have been excellently policed then?

 

[Mr Burns]

Sad vile little shit?

From the idiot that said Asians are a plague? HAHAHAHAHA

I am actually fully laughing out loud now!

Just admit you're a racist... Then maybe your opinions can be taken seriously.

And if you've got the time to read, that is if you have finished your thesis on how the jews could have fought the might of the Nazis, you would have realised I have had my say earlier in this topic.

Just because you've read a couple of Nick Griffins pamphlets, dont think you can patronise me.

Again a misquote. Bringing up something that was said twist it. Same as London Irish done at the top of page 4 of this thread.
You've once again, taken something out of context, again ignored earlier answers, and accused me of being on Griffins side.
I do wait for an original post from you.

By the way, well done on managing more than two lines in a reply.

 

[Mr Burns]

Hitler came to power as other facist movements (and comunist) did in Europe becasuse people living in these countries began to feel disinfranchised with politics, parties at the time were neither left or right so people with moderate views on either side felt that they were not being represented married to the fact of social and economic difficulties. This falls straight into the hands of extremists i.e Nazi party, Italian Facists etc. By telling the people what they wanted to hear not their extreme views they gained power and when they got there out came all the extreme policies, In my veiw unless politics change we could end up repeating history in time!

The idiots in London on Friday should have been arrested, you cannot let people get away with that sort of behaviour in one hand and give me a speeding ticket for going 4 mph over the limit or hit a pro foxing protester over the head with a baton in the other.


Unfortunately it seems we are heading towards a them and us situation with moslems, I hope all the idiots in istanbul are proud of them selves as im sure the Danish have given aid and help to the turks when they have suffered earthquakes!

Irish you need to get into the real world!

If only I had your use of grammer. I believe histroy will repeat it's self. I only hope and would pray if I had a god to pray to, that it doesn't.

But beleiving it may happen again will make me a racist in the eyes of London irish and Enigma.

 

[Mr Burns]

Originally posted by London Irish

The event was excellently policed.

Originally posted by gerbil
So tell us all,if the guy in the "suicide bomber" kit was for real and he'd let it go off killing people would the event have been excellently policed then?

Gerbil, check out top of page 4. I pulled up London irish on this comment and I was accused of being Hitler. No comment on what I said from London irish, just that i was Hitler.

Unfortunately that's what your up against here. I'm Off to watch the end of the Sheff Utd match, to see if Shipperly playing. Back soon.

 

[Simster]

I have a question for you LI. The recent violent muslim protests over these cartoons have raised the issue of free speech.

This is a personal view - but I believe that governments and police have cowered in the face of violence by the extremists.

They should be unreservedly condemning the protests and banners over what was a mild piss-take by a not-very-good cartoonist - but they are not.

If you give in to this mob over this, you are going down a very slippery slope, which is basically that if a group threatens enough mayhem then papers/broadcaters will not show stuff out of fear. That's basically South Africa of the 60s/70s.

For me, this is a much more constructive debate than the usual moronic "typical left wing, ira sympathiser vs BNP supporting racist" rant that these threads invariably turn into. And it's something that I too feel quite strongly about. We've been here before. The protestant half of Northern Ireland have whinged and brought the province to its knees in the past over inflammatory disputes such as marching rights. All because that particular group has shown NO respect to it's neighbours and failed to respect the LAW. On some of those occasions, it has proven to be a massive backward step and I firmly believe that even handedness must be shown here. I don't want to see ANY group seemingly given a free hand to treat the law with contempt because they take issue with it. It's wrong, and we shouldn't allow it.

Incidentally twatty, so where were you when those protestants were demanding the right to march down Catholic streets (against the law), when John Major rolled over and let them through, and put the peace process back by 5 years? Not writing ant-proddy threads on here every 2 days, that's for sure - despite the parallels of cowering to vocal groups in the wrong.

 

[enigma]

Again a misquote. Bringing up something that was said twist it. Same as London Irish done at the top of page 4 of this thread.
You've once again, taken something out of context, again ignored earlier answers, and accused me of being on Griffins side.
I do wait for an original post from you.

By the way, well done on managing more than two lines in a reply.

Merely a mistiming in posts old boy.

I just find it hilarious that something as offensive as what you said was twisted or taken out of context. We all know what you meant by it. And you haven't even got the balls to admit it.

So you may not have a masterplan ok, but you've yet to show anything that supports your argument that more could have been done. Its a bit like saying "oooooh why dont we just eradicate world poverty?". Its not that simple. Until you come up with some kind of argument, it just sounds stupid.

Nice try with the patronising line as well. Im not quite sure how and why you think you're some kind of genius compared to me, but good luck to you

 

[enigma]

Simster, very valid points you make.

What really angers me is the way ALL muslims are made out to be SCUM by some of the idiots on here, and they question whether we can live together. I live in a predominantly muslim area and it is fine. I have had more grief from white people round here.

Putting the boot on the other foot, I would be upset if all English people were assumed to be scum because of the actions of the BNP.

As for the policing of events such as saturday, Im not sure. It would seem best to have arrested some of those involved on the spot, but then arguably this may create tension and amplify the situation, which is the last thing that is needed.

 

[DTES]

So tell us all,if the guy in the "suicide bomber" kit was for real and he'd let it go off killing people would the event have been excellently policed then?

The police had to make a decision, did they think he was for real, or not? Seeing as he was in the middle of a rather large group of Muslims, it was probably reasonable to assume he wasn't - even the most twisted terrorist working "in the name of Islam" isn't going to blow up a group solely populated by other Muslims.

Anyway, their decision wouldn't have left much choice - if someone can blow themselves up at any time what action could they have taken to stop him, seriously? I am absolutely NOT going into another whole debate about "shoot-to-kill", if you want it do it on another thread, but seriously - what action would you have taken? You can't arrest him if you believe he's serious, he'd just blow himself up on the spot.

The only line you can go down then, is the argument as to whether the police should have stormed in and arrested him on the spot (which I believe would have only made the riots worse there and then), or take plenty of footage of him, and arrest him at a later date, when it wouldn't incite further violence. I completely agree that he should be arrested, but so far I agree with the (difficult) decisions made.

I'd love to receive a mature reply open to debate here, but I'm writing this fully expecting to be called a "f***ing leftie" or similar. Oh well.


[edit for typo]

 

[chip]

The police had to make a decision, did they think he was for real, or not? Seeing as he was in the middle of a rather large group of Muslims, it was probably reasonable to assume he wasn't - even the most twisted terrorist working "in the name of Islam" isn't going to blow up a group solely populated by other Muslims.

[edit for typo]

Unless he is in Iraq perhaps?