Is Ronaldo a ****?

[zefarelly]

I'd pay good money to go to that training session, to see Rooney do a Keane and break his legs, then the MD of Manure give him his P45 and a sack trolley to the nearest greaseyjet flight out of Mnachester, heading south and not landing till its well past the Southern most tip of France.

I hated the little fucker long before Saturday and he still makes me f***ing ANGRY now

 

[Dave the OAP]

Ronaldo's pressure on the ref was pretty slimy but I think the ref had already made his mind up.

I dont think the ref had made his mind up.

If you watch the replays ( far be it for me to suggest you do) you will see, he blew up for the foul...Rooney looked at him and the ref looked away....he then looked down at the defender and again looked away....Roanldo then comes steaming in and at that point Rooney pushes him away....it was then that the ref pulled away and without looking at carvallio, produced the red card....


did you see the bBC coverage....it showed ronaldo pushing rooney whilst he was chatting at the start of the game with Maniche(?) and gave him a not too friendly glare...had him sent off....and then winked at Scolari after the event.

I for one would not welcome him back.

 

[Schrödinger's Toad]

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[zefarelly]

I for one would not welcome him back.

did you welcome him first time ?

I've never seen any reason for him to be credited with anything, he's everything thats wrong with football

even fat Phil said he's a liability before the tournament started

 

[Gazwag]

did you see the bBC coverage....it showed ronaldo pushing rooney whilst he was chatting at the start of the game with Maniche(?) and gave him a not too friendly glare...had him sent off....and then winked at Scolari after the event.

It was more than a push it was more like a head butt of the Figo style, not much power, I believe Rooney took it a being a bit of pre match fun, hence he was laughing , but I believe it was the first stage of the "Wind up Rooney Mission".

I would imaging if Ronaldo does the same to Henry before the semi starts, Henry will fall to the ground as if struck by lightening and Ronaldo would get sent off, its all to do with honesty

 

[Scoffers]

If the ref was going to card Rooney for the foul he'd have done it straight away. He didn't.

Then Ronaldo came charging in to have his say, Rooney pushed him away, and the ref immediately walked away and called Rooney to him.

Rooney shouldn't have pushed Ronaldo, obviously. I don't think he'd have got a red for a push of that "force" in England either. But the unescapable fact is that Ronaldo acted like a complete ****.

Agreed 100%

 

[Barrel of Fun]

Rooney vs Ronaldo

The more I see this, the more I think Ronaldo did influence the ref in getting Rooney sent off. I.e. Winding him up and getting the push.

EDITED : Around the 50 second mark is very telling.

LI, there was no fracas until Ronaldo marched in. To avoid any fracas, the referee should have shown the card straight away IF he had seen the stamp...Yet there does not seem to be any immediate reaction from the referee apart from assuming it was just a tangle of legs etc.

 

[sunshine]

ronaldo is a tart, best he fcuks off out of our country asap

 

[London Irish]

Absolute bollocks, frankly. And the more times I see it, the more it is evident the card was for the push and nothing else.

...and you're just completely ignoring what the England manager said about the incident then, the clinching evidence? Does it help you come to terms with defeat better to live in this fog of denial?

 

[Easy 10]

Yeah, Svens always WELL worth listening to.

 

[London Irish]

Yeah, Svens always WELL worth listening to.

Yeah, he's in on the plot too I reckon.....

 

[The Large One]

There was no friendliness in that head-butt. None.

And Shearer didn't say he 'should' stick one on Ronaldo, he said he wouldn't be surprised if he did. He also stopped himself from saying anything further after realising what he had said - as a pundit - was possibly not the wisest thing to say.

 

[Easy 10]

There was no friendliness in that head-butt. None.

Out of interest, how does someone give a "friendly head-butt" then ?

 

[The Large One]

...and you're just completely ignoring what the England manager said about the incident then, the clinching evidence? Does it help you come to terms with defeat better to live in this fog of denial?

It is nothing like the clinching evidence. It's borderline circumstancial. What Sven said the ref did, and what the ref actually did are two separate issues.

Just read the body language of the ref.

 

[The Large One]

Out of interest, how does someone give a "friendly head-butt" then ?

It's called accidental.

Or a kiss.

 

[Albion Rob]

There's no way they're having a laugh over that headbutt - you can see in both their eyes they don't like each other.

For me, the ref had blown for the free kick and was going to leave it at that, there Robaldo flies in and Rooney pushes him - and I think that's what the red was for.

However, I'd be interested to know at what point the ref said it was for the stamp because it could well be that Rooney handed the ref a get out of jail free card when he saw the replay.

Sadly, the bottom line is that what Rooney did was worth a red card, stamping is violent conduct and you walk for that. Ronaldo's antics really sum him up as a person, I relly hope Rooney gets to stick one on him.

I think this World Cup has been poor not so much in terms of the number of cards dished out but in terms of the cheating that has gone on. The time is right for rettrospective sanctions aginst players like Figo who get away with things in the games because the ref doesn't see them.

Sadly, this won't happen and we'll all probably be having a similar conversation in four year' time.

 

[Les Biehn]

Rooney was a twat, I think it is clear he got sent off because of a combination of the stamp and the push. The stamp was malicious but not hard while the push was just stupid. Both could have technically been reds but together the ref had no choice. Ronaldo is also a **** for the way he acted, it was gamesmanship and quite frankly I am sick of seeing it from foreign players and our own. The English are better than most but we still have people diving. As far as I'm concerned the authorities need to stamp it out.

 

[Les Biehn]

I think this World Cup has been poor not so much in terms of the number of cards dished out but in terms of the cheating that has gone on. The time is right for rettrospective sanctions aginst players like Figo who get away with things in the games because the ref doesn't see them.

Sadly, this won't happen and we'll all probably be having a similar conversation in four year' time.

Spot on Rob.

 

[London Irish]

It is nothing like the clinching evidence. It's borderline circumstancial. What Sven said the ref did, and what the ref actually did are two separate issues.

Just read the body language of the ref.

The issue, as far as I understand it, is what was the motivation of the ref as he carded Rooney. Sven's account speaks DIRECTLY to that by the gathering of FIRST-HAND evidence after the game.

What you seem to be relying on is your impression of what happened by looking at a TV screen, and your impression of "body language" - now that I think is genuinely circumstantial!

What amazes me in people keeping this issue alive as a subject worthy of debate is that Rooney's offence was a red card offence - stamping on a prone player's bollocks! He deserved to walk, there apears to be no dispute about this whatsoever.

Frankly, when Daniele De Rossi got sent off for his piece of stupidity, there was absolutely no sympathy for him among Azzurri fans. Nor should there be for Rooney among English fans.

While Rooney should not be hung out to dry, Sven is right about that, no one should be making excuses for his behaviour. He will almost certainly be suspended for McClaren's first Euro 2008 qualifier at least and the last thing England need is him then coming back into the team and doing something similar in another vital game. But hopefully he'll learn and become the model of discipline that Becks became after his early career problems.

 

[aftershavedave]

As far as I'm concerned the authorities need to stamp it out.

what an excellent choice of words given the subject matter!