Is Ronaldo a ****?

[the wanderbus]

Totally disagree, if it was one of our lads stamped on, the rest of the England players would have turned the other cheek. And there's no way they would have ipmlored the referee to take action. No way. That's just disgusting adn only dirty foreigners do that. Our lads would have just ignored it and the offending player would just have been given the cold shoulder for the rest of the match.

But he wasn't sent off for the stamp was he? youv'e already agreed on another thread that it didn't look deliberate, Ronaldo was trying to inflame the situation(successfuly) in order to gain an unfair advantage.THAT is whats put peoples backs up.
I actually agree with you that we weren't good enough to win it but that is an acceptable way to go out ,being cheated isn't

 

[Da Man Clay]

Kicking the ball at a players hand from three yards away is not a handball. He tried to move his hand out of the way, even.

Not sure he did, he has was well away from his body and I think a fair few refs would have given it. It was like ours against Leciester this season. (or last season, i cant remember!)

 

[Silent Bob]

In other words, not a penalty. You've seen them given but it doesn't mean it's right. His arm was right next to his body, Beckham clearly was trying for the penalty, he tried to move his arm out the way. NEVER a penalty.

 

[London Irish]

But he wasn't sent off for the stamp was he?

From BBC:

There was confusion over whether Rooney was dismissed for the foul or for the subsequent push on Cristiano Ronaldo.

But England coach Sven-Goran Eriksson has revealed Rooney was given his marching orders for the alleged stamp.

Eriksson revealed he had spoken to referee Horacio Elizondo after the game against Portugal, which was decided by a penalty shoot-out, and had "no complaints" about the decision to send off Rooney.

"I spoke to Wayne after the game and he had no intention to do it," said Eriksson.

"I also went to the referee to speak and he was 100% sure it was a red card. He told me he hit the other player and where he was hit so I can't complain about that."


So it looks like the TV reception in the Preston Park area was fine after all - but maybe Bozza will say that not only is the Argie ref in some sort of conspiracy against England over the Rooney red card, maybe Sven is too?

 

[London Irish]

Totally disagree, if it was one of our lads stamped on, the rest of the England players would have turned the other cheek. And there's no way they would have ipmlored the referee to take action. No way. That's just disgusting adn only dirty foreigners do that. Our lads would have just ignored it and the offending player would just have been given the cold shoulder for the rest of the match.

 

[¤DãŃn¥ §êãGüLL¤]

YES.

**** **** **** of the highest order. I'll give you wink wink you crying greasy little puff. Hope he gets booed to f*** at every English football ground next season.

Once more - ****!!!!!!

 

[The Large One]

From BBC:

There was confusion over whether Rooney was dismissed for the foul or for the subsequent push on Cristiano Ronaldo.

But England coach Sven-Goran Eriksson has revealed Rooney was given his marching orders for the alleged stamp.

Eriksson revealed he had spoken to referee Horacio Elizondo after the game against Portugal, which was decided by a penalty shoot-out, and had "no complaints" about the decision to send off Rooney.

"I spoke to Wayne after the game and he had no intention to do it," said Eriksson.

"I also went to the referee to speak and he was 100% sure it was a red card. He told me he hit the other player and where he was hit so I can't complain about that."

I don't buy that at all.

So why didn't he go straight for the red card, especially when he was less than 10 feet from the incident? What took him so long to decide to send him off for such a violent challenge? It was at least five seconds (possibly more) before there was any body language indicating he intended to reach for his pocket. None of this makes sense.

The fact the ref was Argentinian was irrelevant by the way. And I don't believe Ronaldo sufficiently persuaded the ref either to send Rooney off either. Rooney pushing him has given the ref a 'get out of jail free' card.

But that doesn't alter the fact that, ever since we first saw him arrive in England, Christiano Ronaldo has been a cheating, diving whingeing little **** who dishes it out but cannot take it back, and who does the game of football little credit.

 

[Albaman]

Yes he is, you have my vote !!

No surprise which club side he plays for !

 

[London Irish]

So why didn't he go straight for the red card, especially when he was less than 10 feet from the incident?

very clearly because he wanted to calm down all the players who were behaving like arseholes before dispensing the card. There is no evidence that he was influenced by the histrionics, in fact we now have evidence that he wasn't as Sven spoke to him straight away after the game and the ref made clear what was the red card offence - the stamp.

 

[Bozza]

very clearly because he wanted to calm down all the players who were behaving like arseholes before dispensing the card. There is no evidence that he was influenced by the histrionics, in fact we now have evidence that he wasn't as Sven spoke to him straight away after the game and the ref made clear what was the red card offence - the stamp.

Absolute bollocks, frankly. And the more times I see it, the more it is evident the card was for the push and nothing else.

 

[Cheeky Monkey]

There is no way an Argentine referee should have been in charge as his impartiality will always be questioned. Not just because of the now distant Falklands conflict, but also the tensions between the two national sides since then.

 

[Gwylan]

There is no way an Argentine referee should have been in charge as his impartiality will always be questioned. Not just because of the now distant Falklands conflict, but also the tensions between the two national sides since then.

Yet he reffed the game very well; no-one can have any complaints - even the most die-hard England admit that Rooney stamped on the fella. I think the only mistake he made was not booking Maniche for his blatant dive.

Wouldn't surprise me to see him get the final.

 

[Barrel of Fun]

It seemed as if he was looking for an excuse to leave Manchester and now he has it.

Rooney was wrong, but it is up to the officials and what they saw rather than taking 'advice' from opposing players. Ronaldo was trying to get him sent off all game and he finally helped.

The sly headbutt in the centre circle and whispering in his ear was probably not even half of what went on.

Rooney shouldn't have reacted in that way but he is a fiery player and that is what makes him the player he is.


Ronaldo turned up to the prem thinking he was the bees knees. All those step overs! Goodbye Ronaldo, I hope we have seen the last of you.

 

[Father Jack]

****...its days on and i still hate him

 

[Schrödinger's Toad]

Yet he reffed the game very well; no-one can have any complaints

I don't know about that!

Even leaving the Rooney sending-off aside, the referee had a shocker - so many fouls given for legal tackles, and not one Portugese player booked for diving ... there was at least one incident when he told Ronaldo to get up, yet failed to produce a card.

 

[Gwylan]

I don't know about that!

Even leaving the Rooney sending-off aside, the referee had a shocker - so many fouls given for legal tackles, and not one Portugese player booked for diving ... there was at least one incident when he told Ronaldo to get up, yet failed to produce a card.

Yes, that's true, I'd forgotten about the Ronaldo incident.

Don't think you're right about the fouls for legal tackles though, there were one or two but I think you're judging through English eyes. I don't mean through the eyes of an English supporter but as someone used to watching English football.

Nearly all refs in the WC have penalised fouls that weren't. Don't think he was alone in that.

 

[Gazwag]

If that incident was the other way around, ie any portugese player having a wrestling match for the ball with two England players the portugese player would have thrown himself on the floor like a dying swan and at least one of the England players would have been carded.

The fact that it was an English player fighting for the ball playing real football, not this netball with feet like the majority of other countries play.

If the ref was consistant Rooney would have been given the free kick long before anything else happened.

 

[Finchley Seagull]

If that incident was the other way around, ie any portugese player having a wrestling match for the ball with two England players the portugese player would have thrown himself on the floor like a dying swan and at least one of the England players would have been carded.

The fact that it was an English player fighting for the ball playing real football, not this netball with feet like the majority of other countries play.

If the ref was consistant Rooney would have been given the free kick long before anything else happened.

Absolutely. Rooney staying on his feet was the biggest mistake that he made. I was under the impression that referee's were meant to be punishing diving and players trying to get other players booked. Obviously this referee was not told that.

I really hope that Ronaldo's move to Madrid falls through and he has to face Rooney/Neville/Ferdinand in pre season training and then the English crowds all season. Suddenly I feel surprisingly supportive of van Nistelrooy over his actions towards Ronaldo.

 

[Dick Knights Mumm]

Absolute bollocks, frankly. And the more times I see it, the more it is evident the card was for the push and nothing else.

Quite right. You are barking up the worng tree on this one LI. There looked to be no intention to get the red card out till Ronaldo arrived.

Of course Rooney is a goon. But it is likely he was targeted - which Rooney should have expected.

And Shearer was right. Rooney should whack him on the first day back at training. It may not have been the right thing to say - but there are some things you shouldnt do to a team-mate.

 

[Dick Knights Mumm]

, in fact we now have evidence that he wasn't as Sven spoke to him straight away after the game

............... in the immediate post match interview Sven said he had not then spoken to the ref.