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er, ever heard of northern ireland ?We have only got ONE shore..... and it goes all the way round.
just had a look a the original post and not sure if you are selectively editing or stupid !
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just had a look a the original post and not sure if you are selectively editing or stupid !
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United Kingdom of Great Britain AND Northern Ireland.
so it's seperate...........
so it's seperate...........
United Kingdom of Great Britain AND Northern Ireland.
so it's seperate...........
Seperate Islands yes, but one country. What about the Isle of White?
Aslo, you should have quoted:
yet you miss quoted:
Which is not what was said.
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So who said this ? (and it was said in BRIGHTON!)
"I will never forget that the trade union Movement of this country was built over two centuries by hard work and by the struggles and sacrifices of men and women who had a vision of a better and fairer future, free of poverty and free of injustice.
"Before I had this job and actually before I was a Member of Parliament, I worked in education. I was for some time part-time as a Workers Education Association tutor, and with the Open University and as a tutor in trade union learning. When I and others taught trades union education at Loader College in Scotland and when, as a result of numbers signing up, the Department of Employment under Norman Tebbit cut back the trade union learning budget, I do not think he had any idea of the unstoppable momentum of trade union learning in Britain which has grown from strength to strength.
"As I have believed all my life, from part-time trades union tutor to MP, by enhancing the dignity and value of labour we will make Britain the best educated, best trained and best skilled country in the world and the most prosperous as a result.
"Nothing should stand in the way of us building jobs and prosperity not just for some but for all British working people.
as long as there is poverty and unfairness, wherever discrimination and injustice exists, there we must be also working for change. Of the great struggles of the last century, against the dark night of fascism, Nazi-ism and anti-semitism, against the shame of apartheid and for the victory of democracy and equal rights at home and abroad, British working people have always played a decisive role.
In this century, the 21st Century, we have injustice to fight, too. I promise you that our voice as a Labour Government will be heard, demanding an end to the denial of democracy and human rights in Burma, supporting a ceasefire with justice for the two million displaced in Darfur and supporting peace with justice in the Middle East.
It is a point of principle for me as it will be for you: the answer is not to compete on low skills with ever lowering standards but to compete on ever higher skills – most of all ensuring that our children and our young people have the training, the skills and the qualifications to get secure, well paid, high quality jobs in Britain in the future.
"I will never forget that the trade union Movement of this country was built over two centuries by hard work and by the struggles and sacrifices of men and women who had a vision of a better and fairer future, free of poverty and free of injustice.
"Before I had this job and actually before I was a Member of Parliament, I worked in education. I was for some time part-time as a Workers Education Association tutor, and with the Open University and as a tutor in trade union learning. When I and others taught trades union education at Loader College in Scotland and when, as a result of numbers signing up, the Department of Employment under Norman Tebbit cut back the trade union learning budget, I do not think he had any idea of the unstoppable momentum of trade union learning in Britain which has grown from strength to strength.
"As I have believed all my life, from part-time trades union tutor to MP, by enhancing the dignity and value of labour we will make Britain the best educated, best trained and best skilled country in the world and the most prosperous as a result.
"Nothing should stand in the way of us building jobs and prosperity not just for some but for all British working people.
as long as there is poverty and unfairness, wherever discrimination and injustice exists, there we must be also working for change. Of the great struggles of the last century, against the dark night of fascism, Nazi-ism and anti-semitism, against the shame of apartheid and for the victory of democracy and equal rights at home and abroad, British working people have always played a decisive role.
In this century, the 21st Century, we have injustice to fight, too. I promise you that our voice as a Labour Government will be heard, demanding an end to the denial of democracy and human rights in Burma, supporting a ceasefire with justice for the two million displaced in Darfur and supporting peace with justice in the Middle East.
It is a point of principle for me as it will be for you: the answer is not to compete on low skills with ever lowering standards but to compete on ever higher skills – most of all ensuring that our children and our young people have the training, the skills and the qualifications to get secure, well paid, high quality jobs in Britain in the future.
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Not bad. Three sentences. Three mistakes! It is the Isle of WIGHT. oh, and selective quoting is NOT mis quoting. I used just YOUR words!
But, you were wrong where you not? Go on, admit it. Oh, and your taking the piss out of my spelling is not very socialist of you is it?
I haven't got a clue, but they sound like the type of person who has done so much to destroy this country over the last fifty years.
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Not in the least. Just highlighting the paucity and utter poverty of your argument.
And just to cap it all, there is another spelling mistake "But, you were wrong where
you not?"Storer68
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he's dyslexic , fyi.Not in the least. Just highlighting the paucity and utter poverty of your argument.
And just to cap it all, there is another spelling mistake "But, you were wrong where
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Its not, fyi.United Kingdom of Great Britain AND Northern Ireland.
so it's seperate...........
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Can we bring what was a perfectly good thread back on topic? It looks f***ed but I'll give it a go.
One of the interesting things with Cameron is how he handles the prospect of ther hung Parliament, and whether it's really a "majority or nothing" for him, or whether he and the party apparatchiks are working out a Plan B to work with the Lib Dems.
One of the interesting things with Cameron is how he handles the prospect of ther hung Parliament, and whether it's really a "majority or nothing" for him, or whether he and the party apparatchiks are working out a Plan B to work with the Lib Dems.
My guess is that Brown is finished, whatever the result. Labour won't win outright, and my guess is that the LibDems will insist that Brown steps down before they consider forming a government with Labour. Brown has already burnt his bridges, and even his last ditch "wooing" of Clegg's party has been written off as "desperate", and rightly so.
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clegg ruined brown in an article this morning, apparently would insist that brown go as part of a pact with labour.
Tesco in Disguise
Where do we go from here?
for those who work best with visuals:
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The thing is - who the hell is going to be the next Labour leader? Brown was the only candidate in the last leadership race which, at the time, seemed surprising given that he had had a running feud with Blair since 1997.
Without knowing the potential candidates too well, they look a pretty ordinary lacklustre bunch. I feel sorry for Brown in as much as he's not really got the sort of enforcers like a Tebbit or a Whitelaw, a Campbell or a Mandelson to whip his party into shape.
Even the Lib Dems have the likes of Cable, Kennedy, Ashdown, Campbell, Huhne who all come across as having some credibility.
Without knowing the potential candidates too well, they look a pretty ordinary lacklustre bunch. I feel sorry for Brown in as much as he's not really got the sort of enforcers like a Tebbit or a Whitelaw, a Campbell or a Mandelson to whip his party into shape.
Even the Lib Dems have the likes of Cable, Kennedy, Ashdown, Campbell, Huhne who all come across as having some credibility.
If Brown does go (which he won't do without a fight) it will probably be a contest between Miliband and Johnson.
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I cannot see Clegg wanting to work with Cameron. All the noise is of a Lib/Lab pact.
It is funny watching Cameron these days, as he comes to terms with the huge combined percentage of the Lib/Lab voters he seems directionless and not sure who to aim his case at.
Also, where is Osborne? Not seen or heard of him for a while. His 'head in the cloud' economics have been missing for some time now.
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Milliband for PM? I'd be happy with this.
Totally agree with you, regarding Cameron. The problem is that the Tories are the only ones who believe massive cuts need to be made immediately in order to cut the nataional debt, and refer to savings that could be made in the public sector. The other two parties both want a more gradual approach to the problem, but disagree on how to pay for it. I'm fairly sure Clegg would find Cameron far easier to work with than Brown, but fundamentally they are at complete loggerheads over how to deal with the problems.
Osborne has been hidden away by the Tories as he is perceived as a bit of a weak link. Not sure it's fair actually, considering he really didn't look out of his depth when up against the other would-be chancellors. I wish he would surface though - I think we need to see more of him.