Is it the end for centre right/right wing politics?

[Herr Tubthumper]

*if* a LibLab pct is formed this time round, and electoral reform follows, I can see them being marginalised just as socialism was marginalised in the early 90s.

I agree, and I've commented to this effect on other threads. If reform does follow, then liberals, labour and the greens will swamp the tory vote. I think it would take a lot, and a long time, for a single right wing party to out vote that lot. I think we're heading into a long period of centre left thinking in the UK.

 

[Insel affe]

The far right party leader has only one good eye.............

The "supposedly" Left wing party leader has only one good eye.........


Both have there left eye missing, does this explain Browns leaning towards right wing polices in a left wing party............ spooky


If you have a choice in politics allways vote for someone who is not missing something like Hitler was............

 

[User removed 4]

I agree, and I've commented to this effect on other threads. If reform does follow, then liberals, labour and the greens will swamp the tory vote. I think it would take a lot, and a long time, for a single right wing party to out vote that lot. I think we're heading into a long period of centre left thinking in the UK.

You mean you're hoping that this is what happens.

 

[skipper734]

If you have a choice in politics allways vote for someone who is not missing something like Hitler was............

Balls!

 

[BLOCK F]

He's right. These things are cyclical. I do think Cameron has thrown this away... Labour have been awful, but Cameron doesn't seem to have offered anything as an alternative. This is what's led to the Lib Dems jump... the Tories & Labour are just doing an appalling job in government & opposition

I more or less agree with that.....actually MORE than less!!
We have a Government in power that most voters want out,an unelected unpopular P.M.that many Labour politicians and voters want removed and still the Conservatives don't look like getting a majority.As a Conservative voter,I am a bit pissed off to say the least.Like some of the Albion's darker days,they look like snatching defeat from the jaws of victory!
I read today that Clegg has said he believes Brown to be a desperate politician and that he would find it difficult to do a deal with him under a hung Parliament.That may well be political posturing but if he kept Labour in power and Brown remained in charge I do believe there would be an awful lot of unhappy voters out there.
It is a sad reflection on British politics in general, that the future governing of this country depends to a large extent on a virtual game show!How many of those enthused by the Libs have a clue what is really in their manifesto.The whole episode is more akin to a protest vote in a local election!
Having said all that, I have to say that Cameron's idea of a 'big society' left me completely uninspired....I'm all for small Government but that is just feeble and wishy-washy!

 

[k2bluesky]

The country has been in decline for years, in terms of respect and standing in the outside world. Behind our backs other countries now laugh at the weakness our government shows in protecting both its shores and population from economic, social and moral decline, this will continue as the pound dives in value. Left or Right, we need a STRONG government, not one which just bows to bleeding hearts in order to gain votes - a hung parliament will be best to illustrate just how f***ing useless all politicians are when it comes to improving the standing of GB, instead of childlike squabbling and thieving tax-payers money.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

You mean you're hoping that this is what happens.

Yes, I do hope.

 

[34064 Fighter Command]

I've always considered NEW Labour a centreist party and the Lib Dems somewhat Left-Wing ( but not by much ) of them.

Don't think these 'old style' tags help understand the real issues in this election anyway, so I'd rather look at the manifestos instead.

 

[Simster]

The country has been in decline for years, in terms of respect and standing in the outside world. Behind our backs other countries now laugh at the weakness our government shows in protecting both its shores and population from economic, social and moral decline, this will continue as the pound dives in value.

Absolute rubbish peddled by one-eyed right wingers.

 

[beorhthelm]

...it's the wing on the opposite side to the left one.

you have no answer to this simple question of define what is right wing politics? then the question raised is pointless.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

you have no answer to this simple question of define what is right wing politics? then the question raised is pointless.

Apologies I did not realise you were serious.

Most people seem to have got the gist of what I was alluding to. I dont want to get involved in the semantics of a political term. It's not what this thread is intended for.

That aside I am rather bored today so I might start another thread where we can discuss political terms. Actually I'm popping out for lunch shortly, maybe you can get it started?

 

[alan partridge]

Yawn , change the 'worthy' the record for f*** sake.As long as certain sections of the indigenous population see immigarants being treated preferentially there will be resentment, and as long as that situation remains there will be prats like you with their head in the sand , who live in leafy , virtually mono cultural sussex, or severnside who bleat on about racism and bigotry from a safe distance.

Bushy says change the record then posts about leafy Sussex for the 13,987th time

You couldn't make it up!

 

[User removed 4]

The country has been in decline for years, in terms of respect and standing in the outside world. Behind our backs other countries now laugh at the weakness our government shows in protecting both its shores and population from economic, social and moral decline, this will continue as the pound dives in value. Left or Right, we need a STRONG government, not one which just bows to bleeding hearts in order to gain votes - a hung parliament will be best to illustrate just how f***ing useless all politicians are when it comes to improving the standing of GB, instead of childlike squabbling and thieving tax-payers money.

yep, absolute rubbish, everything is fine and dandy in reigate

 

[User removed 4]

Bushy says change the record then posts about leafy Sussex for the 13,987th time

You couldn't make it up!

bushy posts about leafy sussex , alan partridge comments on this fact for the 13,987th time, but cant counter the argument, yet again,

you couldnt make it up

 

[beorhthelm]

Most people seem to have got the gist of what I was alluding to. I dont want to get involved in the semantics of a political term. It's not what this thread is intended for.

theres a massive range of politics which is "right wing" and you simply dismiss this as semantics?

so the simple anwser is no, its not. If most people have got the "gist" its maybe because they have just imposed their own meaning, so the debate will meander around the same tired old cliches.

 

[ROKERITE]

The extreme left would be Communism and the extreme right, Fascism ,Hitler,BNP etc. These are the extremes of all the positions in between.
Labour should be slightly to the Left with Conservatives on the right of centre.

Except some would argue that Hitler and his fascists were left-wing rather than right wing; big government, state control and remember the name, National Socialist Party. Many right-wingers may be racist, but there is absolutely no reason why they should be. For me, although the terms have all been blurred, I regard right-wing today, as being smaller state, lower public spending, lower taxes, strong defence and law and order, etc..
I may be bigoted but that is hardly a prerogative of the right, and bigotry is not (necessarily) the same as racism. I'd suggest 99.99% of the human race have some prejudice about something, and I would doubt the 0.01% who claimed they didn't.
In answer to the original question, I'm afraid it is.

 

[Pavilionaire]

There's nothing to suggest it's the end for Centre Right / Right Wing Politics. Indeed, if the Tories had a decent leader, a decent Shadow Chancellor and some bold, inspiring policies they'd have this election in the bag.

The present position in British politics is unprecedented in the post-war era, and of the two main parties the Tories simply don't know how to deal with it. Historically, if Labour was weak the Tories would walk into Parliament. Now, for the first time, Labour is weak but the Lib Dems have got their act together.

And this is not just as simple as the public being disillusioned with the two main parties. The Lib Dems are scoring on policy - the £10K tax-free personal allowance, scrapping Trident, an "insurance" tax on the banks, transparency on where cuts will be made are examples of policy that are proving to be voter-winners.

Today, Cameron is peddling the politics of fear. He's saying if you don't vote Tory there will be a hung Parliament and the country could be greatly destabilised. There's no evidence to support this, in fact it means that - for once - politicians will actually have to work together for the common good (shock, horror!).

Politicians have a responsibility to give positive reasons for people to get off their arses and turn out to vote. However, Cameron's resorting to pushing a negative image that serves only to frighten some into voting Tory or otherwise turns voters off completely so they might not bother after all.

We're only just learning about some of the specifics of the policies he'll introduce, i.e."cutting benefits for those able to work who choose not to work". All well and good, but the lack of imagination and general vagueness on policy means he's playing catch-up to the Lib Dems.

The Tories are lucky the Volcanic Ash story dominated yesterday's news because Clegg and Cable's London Breakfast Press Briefing - which went well - was shoved down the running order.

 

[Storer68]

what is a right wing?

Seb Carole

 

[fatbadger]

The three largest parties have centre right agendas, and all three leaders are clearly centre right themselves. At a push, Brown is centrist in rhetoric, but his natural leanings are centre right.

So, no, the centre right is not in danger.

 

[Storer68]

The country has been in decline for years, in terms of respect and standing in the outside world. Behind our backs other countries now laugh at the weakness our government shows in protecting both its shores .

We have only got ONE shore..... and it goes all the way round.