[Albion] Is Graham Potter overrated as a Premier League manager?

[boik]

As someone said above, football always has good periods and bad periods. Doesn't pay to think that either of them are the way it will stay.

P.s. love the fact that some are now using Palace as a stick to beat GP with now that they are a massive one point ahead of us!

My own point of view is that we are now approaching the end of the second cycle of potters tenure. I think next year's team will look a lot different. Fingers crossed that also means better.

 

[Stat Brother]

As someone said above, football always has good periods and bad periods. Doesn't pay to think that either of them are the way it will stay.

P.s. love the fact that some are now using Palace as a stick to beat GP with now that they are a massive one point ahead of us!

My own point of view is that we are now approaching the end of the second cycle of potters tenure. I think next year's team will look a lot different. Fingers crossed that also means better.

There's always next season!


It's just a shame so far every single next EPL season has been identical to the last.
The season we've all tried so hard to forget.

 

[Weststander]

I'm going all in on that post.
It's the only way I can influence the result and at least guarantee we don't lose 0-1.

Crikey the bookies think we're relatively the business.

Tempted to dust off the Betfair account, where Norwich are 8.2 to win.

 

[zefarelly]

If the gauge is winning games, he's over rated full stop.

But as he's a prog rock performance art manager, the ratings are right.

 

[Weststander]

There's always next season!


It's just a shame so far every single next EPL season has been identical to the last.
The season we've all tried so hard to forget.

The jam tomorrow .... that never comes

I was told to live in the moment. The losses.

 

[Swansman]

Mac, Moder, Trossard, Sanchez, Bissouma, Mwepu, Lamptey, Duffy, Caicedo and Sarmiento were all on international duty this week.

Dunk, Veltman, Cucurella, Alzate, Lallana, Welbz are all ex-internationals or fringe internationals.

I think they're all PL ready.

Premier League is a higher level than international football. In 97,3% or so of all national teams there are players who arent good enough for the PL.

 

[Sarisbury Seagull]

No, I think he’s under rated and actually our players are the ones over rated by our fans.

 

[BadFish]

I think he is still all about the potential.

For me the only way we are realistically push ourselves up the league is by taking a slow and methodical process> A young manager with potential and young players with potential, slowly improving and growing is the only way for us. It is always going to be two steps forward and one step back. We can still see progression in our play and it is clear on what the next step needs to be.

The question is can we take that step before we lose patience. I still think that the Potter experiment deserves some more time to see if it can come to fruition.

In many ways the Premier League is shit. We aren't the first, and won't be the last, team to get stuck in a cycle in the lower premier league. Many of the teams that have gone before us in regard gambled hard and are now suffering the consequences of trying to get into the top half.

As boring as it is, this is where we are at for the foreseeable future - and according to the accounts it is costing Bloom a bloody fortune just to hold parity.

TLR - He is neither over nor underrated, just at par. However, he still has the potential to do something amazing on a small budget (that apparently we can't afford)

I don't really like Premier League football.

 

[Dave Fishwick]

he's still under rated IMO, certainly by those who can't look beyond the end of their nose or past the league table in the newspaper

 

[Guinness Boy]

Mac, Moder, Trossard, Sanchez, Bissouma, Mwepu, Lamptey, Duffy, Caicedo and Sarmiento were all on international duty this week.

Dunk, Veltman, Cucurella, Alzate, Lallana, Welbz are all ex-internationals or fringe internationals.

I think they're all PL ready.

And then compare that to the team that started v Man City in our first PL game of Ryan; Bruno, Duffy, Dunk, Suttner; Brown, Stephens, Propper, March; Gross; Hemed

Potter undoubtedly has better players available to him. BUT - he had better players than the current squad last season. With White and Burn sold, Webster long term injured and Sarmieto only just coming back he's been forced to use the same centre back pairing, March and Gross when all of them have more Premier League experience but are also four and a half years older and slower.

One of the other posts saying this feels like the end of a cycle with big changes next season feels right. We might well be seeing Mwepu and Caciedo regularly, Undav and Mitoma fighting for the attacking option spots and Van Hecke (extremely well regarded at Blackburn) in for Duffy.

Potter has a better squad than Hughton but this current squad is far from his strongest, especially when you take injuries and Covid into account,

 

[chaileyjem]

I can still think of more reasons for keeping him than sacking him.
But that's very much dependant on the manner of such a defeat.

If we get served up:-

Starting slowly.
Unable to breakdown rigid banks of 5 and 4.
71% possession.
2 shots on target.

Losing 0-1 to Josh Sargent goal (78) who benefited from 3 passes after a loose Albion pass on the edge of the Norwich box.

Then I think I'd have found the end of my tether.

Thankfully given how horrifyingly real this sounds, Sargent is doubtful due to an ankle injury.

 

[chaileyjem]

And then compare that to the team that started v Man City in our first PL game of Ryan; Bruno, Duffy, Dunk, Suttner; Brown, Stephens, Propper, March; Gross; Hemed

Potter undoubtedly has better players available to him. ,

Agreed but a fit Izquierdo and a Murray circa 2016-2018 - both available to Hughton in 2017/18 - and that combined 17 goals - would definitely strengthen Potter's squad.
Having a midfielder like Gross score 7 goals or even having Gross score 7 goals was also something Hughton had in season one at least. Something Potter - despite Lallana, Moder, Bissouma etc has never had.

 

[Icy Gull]

I will be interested to see how this thread progresses from 1700 this afternoon

 

[NooBHA]

The comments say more about Pep Guardiola than they do about Potter.

Guardiola wants to play a certain style of football and if you play that way he likes it.

Now that's easier said than done because Pep has had an abundance of wealth that he has been able to sign the best players from all over the world anywhere he has been. Other Managers have not had such luxury.

So it's nice for Pep to be able to sit in his little Glass House and throw stones at all the other Managers who don't open up and let his team walk the ball into their net. He probably hates it when the likes of Burnley shut up shop against his team's then beat them 1-0 from a set piece.

 

[Swansman]

The comments say more about Pep Guardiola than they do about Potter.

Guardiola wants to play a certain style of football and if you play that way he likes it.

Now that's easier said than done because Pep has had an abundance of wealth that he has been able to sign the best players from all over the world anywhere he has been. Other Managers have not had such luxury.

So it's nice for Pep to be able to sit in his little Glass House and throw stones at all the other Managers who don't open up and let his team walk the ball into their net. He probably hates it when the likes of Burnley shut up shop against his team's then beat them 1-0 from a set piece.

Probably, although it has never happened during his time at City... 14 games against Burnley, 13 wins, 1 draw, 44 goals scored, 5 conceded...

 

[Icy Gull]

Probably, although it has never happened during his time at City... 14 games against Burnley, 13 wins, 1 draw, 44 goals scored, 5 conceded...

Palace, however

 

[NooBHA]

Probably, although it has never happened during his time at City... 14 games against Burnley, 13 wins, 1 draw, 44 goals scored, 5 conceded...

Burnley the wrong example then.

 

[Albion my Albion]

No, I truly believe GPot is a fine man and will learn from this tough time at BHA.

 

[Icy Gull]

Are we blaming Potter for another goalless Amex game for the Albion?

 

[oldboyroy]

Are we blaming Potter for another goalless Amex game for the Albion?

No, you can't blame Potter for lack of investment striking options or players missing from 12 yards.....although Graham publicly saying he's happy with his striking options doesn't do him any favours