Is Everything ok Behind the scenes?

[mune ni kamome]

Woke up this morning worrying slightly if all was well. Quite a few backroom people seem to be leaving the club at the moment at what seems a rather strange time of year just as we're getting started. Gus may be a genius but I'd hate to see him try to control everything and stretch himself too thinly.

 

[Skaville]

I've been sharing the same concerns and making the same sweeping assumptions. Naylor alluded to a Poyet and Stephenson clash yesterday, saying that Stephenson was a club appointment rather than a Poyet one. I was wondering if the Bergkamp signing could be connected. I remember hearing something about him not being a Poyet signing, which seemed bizarre.

 

[Icy Gull]

Gus is a South American dictator, I doubt he sees much in grey, fall in line or you're out...probably

 

[house your seagull]

i wrote a little bit about this on the TSLR blog, check it out

the seagull love review

 

[Couldn't Be Hyypia]

From day one it was made clear in the papers that Stephenson was not appointed by Gus and that his role overlapped with Gus' responsibilities. My guess is that rather than Gus pushing him out, Stephenson left because he wasn't given the autonomy or scope that he had at Watford because Gus has retained the power of veto or retained some of the aspects of the job Stephenson expected to do.

So less Gus stamping his feet and insisting Stephenson is remove and more Stephenson not being satisfied with his remit because Gus has retained some control of certain aspects perhaps?

 

[northampton_seagull]

Naylor alluded to a Poyet and Stephenson clash yesterday, saying that Stephenson was a club appointment rather than a Poyet one

Where did he say this?

 

[house your seagull]

From day one it was made clear in the papers that Stephenson was not appointed by Gus and that his role overlapped with Gus' responsibilities.

was it? where?

 

[Seagull on the wing]

Thought it was because he could'nt settle in the area.

 

[Couldn't Be Hyypia]

was it? where?

Very quick search on here (there is loads of chat about it) and found this thread - https://nortr3nixy.nimpr.uk/showthread.php?190932-John-Stephenson-signs-for-the-Albion

Post 12 by SuperPhil (who is a sensible poster) and subsequent discussion. So even in Jan, months before he arrived, there was talk of the appointment being imposed on Gus. Believe me, there is lots more about this - and I suspect Naylor also discussed the issue before Stephenson's arrival.

 

[El Presidente]

Without going into details there do appear to be tensions in the upper echelons of the club.

I understand that the chief executive and president and not on speaking terms, there are also issues between Dick and Tony, and Gus' default position is if he does not get his way he will be on his way.

Ego's are clashing, and my experience of this is that it results in a win-lose environment, which in the long term ends as lose-lose in all senior management conflicts.

 

[terryberry1]

we are doomed

 

[stss30]

I don't know anything, but are people reading too much into this? As other people have said, is it just Gus not being happy about the control he has over signings et al and wanting to get rid of this bloke so no one else is interfering? If so it seems perfectly reasonable to me, as I can't imagine Gus being happy without 100% control over that sort of thing.

 

[Cheeky Monkey]

Without going into details there do appear to be tensions in the upper echelons of the club.

I understand that the chief executive and president and not on speaking terms, there are also issues between Dick and Tony, and Gus' default position is if he does not get his way he will be on his way.

Ego's are clashing, and my experience of this is that it results in a win-lose environment, which in the long term ends as lose-lose in all senior management conflicts.

Talk about making a pap diagonisis without obtaining a full medical history!!! Nothing to see here.

 

[Washboard Didgets]

Without going into details there do appear to be tensions in the upper echelons of the club.

I understand that the chief executive and president and not on speaking terms, there are also issues between Dick and Tony, and Gus' default position is if he does not get his way he will be on his way.

Ego's are clashing, and my experience of this is that it results in a win-lose environment, which in the long term ends as lose-lose in all senior management conflicts.

Reading things the other way from that... It would suggest that Tony, Martin, Ken and Gus ARE getting on fine.

I thought that Dick as 'life president' or whatever was just a token title? Does he really have any say/sway in the day-to-day business of the club?...

 

[Finchley Seagull]

Very quick search on here (there is loads of chat about it) and found this thread - https://nortr3nixy.nimpr.uk/showthread.php?190932-John-Stephenson-signs-for-the-Albion

Post 12 by SuperPhil (who is a sensible poster) and subsequent discussion. So even in Jan, months before he arrived, there was talk of the appointment being imposed on Gus. Believe me, there is lots more about this - and I suspect Naylor also discussed the issue before Stephenson's arrival.

I wouldn't say that one person saying they were told something by an ex club employee is particularly conclusive evidence. Maybe it is naive but why can't we just trust the club to do the right thing. Maybe Stephenson genuinely couldn't settle in the area or he decided the club wasn't right for him. Why is there the need to come up with conspiracy theories and apparently everyone at the club being in conflict (if you believe El Presidente)?

 

[ROSM]

Without going into details there do appear to be tensions in the upper echelons of the club.

I understand that the chief executive and president and not on speaking terms, there are also issues between Dick and Tony, and Gus' default position is if he does not get his way he will be on his way.

Ego's are clashing, and my experience of this is that it results in a win-lose environment, which in the long term ends as lose-lose in all senior management conflicts.

Well as the life president is no longer a shareholder and not on the board, his power is limited. I think that he and Tony will have a creative relationship. As for him and the chief exec, I think the roots of that will be obvious to many given some of the stories that naylor accurately reported on when the change of leadership came about.

You are right, this is never harmonious. Mickey Adams had major issues with Martin perry during his first term here and that festered into the very public training in Preston park just before he left. I think gus is cleverer than that and perhaps with Tony in oz for 4 months of the year it is more how his relationship with brown goes that will be critical.

 

[cjd]

Without going into details there do appear to be tensions in the upper echelons of the club.

I understand that the chief executive and president and not on speaking terms,

Surely not. The only difference I can detect between the two, is that one is a lifelong supporter of the Albion and really cares about the club and its fans....and the other.....well, erm.......he does wear shinier shoes and a rather slick suit.

 

[Colossal Squid]

But everything is just SO good right now. Please don't tell me it's all about to collapse

 

[BigGully]

I think this is Poyet making his club his own.

It now seems that Stephenson wasn't his appointment and I think it is to Blooms credit that he supported his manager in these recent decisions.

As an aside, DK would of previously not of backed his manager on wanting to re-structure if it wasn't deemed as his own decision, to the clubs detriment in my view, so again credit to Bloom.

 

[Hercules Rockerfeller]

Yeah, it is odd that someone, anyone leaves a job after such a short period of time. Can't settle seems a smokescreen, because it must take at east 6-12 months to settle anywhere and surely a commute from Hertfordshire is possible... BUT, he was a new addition to the club and hardly an integral part of the huge progress we have made. We were moving forward before is arrival and we'll continue to progress without him.