iPhone 6 / iPhone 6 Plus / Apple Watch

[tinx]

CAn anyone rememeber what time pre-orders normally start for Apple? I remember last time that they sold out within an hour of being on sale but I can't remember if it was a case of stay up until midnight or wait until the morning to pre-order.

 

[Deleted member 22389]

In a word, wearables.

We didn't need an iPhone or an iPad when they came out (and to be fair many people still don't). But if I'd come on here after the launch of the iPad and told you there'd be one in every third household by 2014, you would never have believed it.

Wearables look like they will be the next "frontier" in tech. Tracking your heartrate, exercise and the like. This is just the beginning remember. In a few years, I really do believe that most people will have some sort of monitor on their body for most of the day.

So far, (barring Moto's 360), they've all looked like shit and the OS isn't particularly well designed IMO. Now, we've got Apple on board. They're renowned for making high-quality products and giving developers a great environment (and distribution platform) to work with. The developers will be all over this trying to cash in and the consumer is the one who will benefit.

I don't think it's perfect by any means. But when Apple steps in to a market like this and goes all in, everybody stands up and takes notice because usually (iPod, iPhone, iPad), they succeed. More than succeed. They fundamentally change the tech industry. I'm pretty sure they've just done it again. But only time will tell!

You will never ever get me wearing a monitor. I think the amount of information we give over is enough, I don't need another company storing my health profile so they can sell off our information to health companies and bombard us with special offers.

This for me where I step off the line with computers i'm afraid, and do things the old fashioned way.

 

[Green Cross Code Man]

I actually tried the Nexus 5 when it came out and would have made the switch from Apple. Too many compromises for me - it went on eBay.

I remember. And fair enough for trying. Google messed something up at the start, the camera if I remember correctly. I bought one a few months later and by then that problem was ironed out. I think it's a fantastic phone, looks great (a little like iPhone), is very fast and feels good in my hand unlike my previous phone an HTC. Great alternative to iPhone IMO but if you have loads of apple stuff, why bother?

 

[Tony Towner's Fridge]

In particularly like the New iPhone 6 Plus which is apparantly Ideal for Manchester Utd Fans. Although Palarse fans will have to wait for the Iphone 8.View attachment 58416

TNBA

TTF

 

[Wilko]

Rather than dicking about with a load of fancy fad features perhaps Apple should dedicate time to finding a phone that does not run out of battery in half a day.

The first company that comes up with a phone you only need to charge once a week will really hit the jackpot.

 

[clippedgull]

Think I know the answer but thought I would check. If I buy the 6, sim free, in America would there be any problem using it over here?
I think and hoping no!

Make sure it's unlocked and sim free and there will be no problems.

 

[clippedgull]

Rather than dicking about with a load of fancy fad features perhaps Apple should dedicate time to finding a phone that does not run out of battery in half a day.

The first company that comes up with a phone you only need to charge once a week will really hit the jackpot.

Agreed! Even a changeable battery would be acceptable! But that would be super uncool

 

[StonehamPark]

Watching the Keynote now as I missed it yesterday.

6+ looks very good.

I guess I'll be handing over my money and trading in my Moto G.

I guess I'll be living off noodles for the next couple of months.

 

[Deleted member 18477]

Think I know the answer but thought I would check. If I buy the 6, sim free, in America would there be any problem using it over here?
I think and hoping no!

So why shouldn’t I buy an Iphone 5s from the US?
The iPhone 5s being sold unlocked in the US is a A1533 model and the iPhone 5s in the UK is the A1457 model. What’s the difference? It’s all to do with the networks, different models of iPhone support different bands.

With the introduction of 4G the network bands have started to fragment around the world, with different standards being implemented in different zones. For this reason Apple actually makes five different versions of the iPhone 5s, and each one offers a different set of system bands:
Model A1533 (GSM)*: UMTS/HSPA+/DC-HSDPA (850, 900, 1700/2100, 1900, 2100 MHz); GSM/EDGE (850, 900, 1800, 1900 MHz); LTE (Bands 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 8, 13, 17, 19, 20, 25)

Model A 1533 (CDMA)*: CDMA EV-DO Rev. A and Rev. B (800, 1700/2100, 1900, 2100 MHz); UMTS/HSPA+/DC-HSDPA (850, 900, 1700/2100, 1900, 2100 MHz); GSM/EDGE (850, 900, 1800, 1900 MHz); LTE (Bands 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 8, 13, 17, 19, 20, 25)

Model A1453*: CDMA EV-DO Rev. A and Rev. B (800, 1700/2100, 1900, 2100 MHz); UMTS/HSPA+/DC-HSDPA (850, 900, 1700/2100, 1900, 2100 MHz); GSM/EDGE (850, 900, 1800, 1900 MHz); LTE (Bands 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 8, 13, 17, 18, 19, 20, 25, 26)

Model A1457*: UMTS/HSPA+/DC-HSDPA (850, 900, 1900, 2100 MHz); GSM/EDGE (850, 900, 1800, 1900 MHz); LTE (Bands 1, 2, 3, 5, 7, 8, 20)

Model A1530*: UMTS/HSPA+/DC-HSDPA (850, 900, 1900, 2100 MHz); GSM/EDGE (850, 900, 1800, 1900 MHz); FDD-LTE (Bands 1, 2, 3, 5, 7, 8, 20); TD-LTE (Bands 38, 39, 40)

In particular the UK iPhone 5s offers different LTE bands (these are the ones for the new 4G network), so if you’re thinking of using the iPhone 5s on a 4G network (which is going to become increasingly common during 2014) then you might find your US ipHone can’t access it in the UK. It’s the same story with the iPhone 5c.

We’re all for snapping up Apple products at a good price here at Macworld, but its it’s probably for the best not to pick up a US iPhone and bring it back to the UK. Our advice is to buy a UK iPhone from one of the computer or technology stores in the duty free area of the UK airport. This way you’ll get a UK version of the phone and be able to bypass the 20% UK sales tax giving you a healthy discount.

http://www.macworld.co.uk/news/apple/why-you-shouldnt-buy-us-iphone-uk-3481491/

 

[beorhthelm]

In a word, wearables.

in a word, over-hyped. in a few more, the new next big thing that wont really deliver.

iphones and ipads did fulfill needs. both where the culmination of years of evolution in technology and Apple came up with good device, good interface and sprinkled their special dust over the outcome. MS was developing pad-like computers in the early 00's, and small form computers go back to Apple's Newton in 1993. the computer/phone fusion has been going on as long as mobile phones have been common too, see Nokia Communicator.

wearables might have needs too, but why haven't we had them already? there's very few use cases that are very compelling. heart rate and exercise monitors have been around awhile, and only need small, cheap transponders, not £300 devices. HUD-like devices for hands free information like the google glass have a good future, and we've been waiting for tech to get small/cheap enough to be viable. what else is there... I see it like the "internet of things", great gadgets, toys for geeks, techno novelties for those that have everything, but not a lot of real practical use for the majority.

 

[SK1NT]

I got the 5s when it first came out 2 years ago and it is still running perfectly (although the off button doesn't work but that's covered by apple).

I still prefer the look of the 5s to the look of the 6. It is just too big.

Although I felt like they were taking the piss changing the phones connection you cannot argue how they hold their value. I could sell my 64 gig iphone 5s and still get several hundred for it.

I shall stay with the 5s until it dies.

 

[Deleted member 18477]

I got the 5s when it first came out 2 years ago and it is still running perfectly (although the off button doesn't work but that's covered by apple).

I still prefer the look of the 5s to the look of the 6. It is just too big.

Although I felt like they were taking the piss changing the phones connection you cannot argue how they hold their value. I could sell my 64 gig iphone 5s and still get several hundred for it.

I shall stay with the 5s until it dies.

5s is only a year old... I wouldn't get the 6 if I currently had a 5s either.

 

[Rookie]

So why shouldn’t I buy an Iphone 5s from the US?
The iPhone 5s being sold unlocked in the US is a A1533 model and the iPhone 5s in the UK is the A1457 model. What’s the difference? It’s all to do with the networks, different models of iPhone support different bands.

With the introduction of 4G the network bands have started to fragment around the world, with different standards being implemented in different zones. For this reason Apple actually makes five different versions of the iPhone 5s, and each one offers a different set of system bands:
Model A1533 (GSM)*: UMTS/HSPA+/DC-HSDPA (850, 900, 1700/2100, 1900, 2100 MHz); GSM/EDGE (850, 900, 1800, 1900 MHz); LTE (Bands 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 8, 13, 17, 19, 20, 25)

Model A 1533 (CDMA)*: CDMA EV-DO Rev. A and Rev. B (800, 1700/2100, 1900, 2100 MHz); UMTS/HSPA+/DC-HSDPA (850, 900, 1700/2100, 1900, 2100 MHz); GSM/EDGE (850, 900, 1800, 1900 MHz); LTE (Bands 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 8, 13, 17, 19, 20, 25)

Model A1453*: CDMA EV-DO Rev. A and Rev. B (800, 1700/2100, 1900, 2100 MHz); UMTS/HSPA+/DC-HSDPA (850, 900, 1700/2100, 1900, 2100 MHz); GSM/EDGE (850, 900, 1800, 1900 MHz); LTE (Bands 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 8, 13, 17, 18, 19, 20, 25, 26)

Model A1457*: UMTS/HSPA+/DC-HSDPA (850, 900, 1900, 2100 MHz); GSM/EDGE (850, 900, 1800, 1900 MHz); LTE (Bands 1, 2, 3, 5, 7, 8, 20)

Model A1530*: UMTS/HSPA+/DC-HSDPA (850, 900, 1900, 2100 MHz); GSM/EDGE (850, 900, 1800, 1900 MHz); FDD-LTE (Bands 1, 2, 3, 5, 7, 8, 20); TD-LTE (Bands 38, 39, 40)

In particular the UK iPhone 5s offers different LTE bands (these are the ones for the new 4G network), so if you’re thinking of using the iPhone 5s on a 4G network (which is going to become increasingly common during 2014) then you might find your US ipHone can’t access it in the UK. It’s the same story with the iPhone 5c.

We’re all for snapping up Apple products at a good price here at Macworld, but its it’s probably for the best not to pick up a US iPhone and bring it back to the UK. Our advice is to buy a UK iPhone from one of the computer or technology stores in the duty free area of the UK airport. This way you’ll get a UK version of the phone and be able to bypass the 20% UK sales tax giving you a healthy discount.

http://www.macworld.co.uk/news/apple/why-you-shouldnt-buy-us-iphone-uk-3481491/

Argh balls, puts a scupper in my plans. Thanks for the info though

 

[TWOCHOICEStom]

in a word, over-hyped. in a few more, the new next big thing that wont really deliver.

iphones and ipads did fulfill needs. both where the culmination of years of evolution in technology and Apple came up with good device, good interface and sprinkled their special dust over the outcome. MS was developing pad-like computers in the early 00's, and small form computers go back to Apple's Newton in 1993. the computer/phone fusion has been going on as long as mobile phones have been common too, see Nokia Communicator.

wearables might have needs too, but why haven't we had them already? there's very few use cases that are very compelling. heart rate and exercise monitors have been around awhile, and only need small, cheap transponders, not £300 devices. HUD-like devices for hands free information like the google glass have a good future, and we've been waiting for tech to get small/cheap enough to be viable. what else is there... I see it like the "internet of things", great gadgets, toys for geeks, techno novelties for those that have everything, but not a lot of real practical use for the majority.

It's a fair point. I think we haven't found the need for wearables yet. Nobody really knows what we want next. But with a product like this, it gives the industry a way of finding out.

It could be foolish of me to site Apple's previous successes as being a reason for the watch to be a hit. It may well be a throwaway toy that ends up being another screen for Facebook, but it would be one of the first times they've gone into a new field and not been successful.

The thing I'm so excited about is that Apple haven't just dipped their toe in like Samsung, LG and Google often do (or like they did themselves with Apple TV), they've gone 100% all in. They've already got thousands of developers chomping at the bit to see what they can make out of this and millions(?) of customers wanting one. It's could well bomb. But we could be sitting here in a few years looking at the Apple Watch and the Moto 360 as the start of a whole new era of tech.

Out of interest, where do you think all of this is heading if not towards wearables/health tracking?

 

[beorhthelm]

Out of interest, where do you think all of this is heading if not towards wearables/health tracking?

fashion. its a fashion accessory, to compete with those "designer" watches people like. this term "wearables" should be the hint this is the emperors new cloths, its a vague, ethereal term, while reheating something that already exists. iWatch is a watch. we've had watches, including ones that take your pulse or play MP3, for bloody ages.

 

[wehatepalace]

CAn anyone rememeber what time pre-orders normally start for Apple? I remember last time that they sold out within an hour of being on sale but I can't remember if it was a case of stay up until midnight or wait until the morning to pre-order.

8.00 I believe.

 

[tinx]

8.00 I believe.

Thanks, looks like I'll be getting into work early on friday then.

 

[wehatepalace]

Thanks, looks like I'll be getting into work early on friday then.

Just had another look around and a lot of people are saying midnight.

 

[StonehamPark]

Just had another look around and a lot of people are saying midnight.

Midnight online.
08:00 in store.

 

[StonehamPark]

Trying to work out the 'cheapest' way of getting a 6+.

Outright 64gb+ = £699 + 24 months of £15.00 payg = £1059.00 over 2 years.
Contract 64gb+ = (est.) £45.00 p/m = £1080.00 over 2 years.

Will be looking at Phones4U pricing on Friday.