Insulate Britain protests

[A1X]

Undoubtedly, like almost every politician and us, a life of positives and not so proud moments.

But his relentless work against the genocidal National Socialists from 1933 onwards, when most of the rest of the nation and elsewhere thought he was a loon, plus his charismatic, cut through the red tape, leadership from 1940 to 1945 …. outweighs anything. Others would’ve thrown in the UK towel. How more tens of millions of Slavs, Jews, intellectuals, homosexuals and disabled would’ve been murdered or starved to death in that enduring Europe?

Oh I agree wholeheartedly with virtually everything there. What I think counts against Churchill during this period is his indifferent, many would say callous, attitude to the Bengal famine which tarnishes that period (only slightly mind). However I personally (with my historian hat on) am loathed to look at someone during a single period and make a judgement on them for that alone, when analysing Churchill the historical figure we also have to include his terrible handling of the Gold Standard debacle of the 1920s, his actions in South Africa around the turn of the century, and of course his flounce at failing to win the 1945 election he felt he deserved to.

 

[Weststander]

Oh I agree wholeheartedly with virtually everything there. What I think counts against Churchill during this period is his indifferent, many would say callous, attitude to the Bengal famine which tarnishes that period (only slightly mind). However I personally (with my historian hat on) am loathed to look at someone during a single period and make a judgement on them for that alone, when analysing Churchill the historical figure we also have to include his terrible handling of the Gold Standard debacle of the 1920s, his actions in South Africa around the turn of the century, and of course his flounce at failing to win the 1945 election he felt he deserved to.

1945 - the country was tired of war, he was 70 years old and seen as part of times past, a New Dawn (Fades) was sought across Europe. The NHS and rebuilds of cities with a very poor man's version of Bauhaus and Corbusier - later muggers delights, concrete cancer and bulldozing real communities.

 

[carlzeiss]

I see the usual bunch of belters are out defending this bunch of soap dodging vermin.
The old Bill need to start cracking a few nuts.

Can't see that happening somehow , here is a clip of the police actually assisting the protestors by stopping traffic and leading them onto the highway

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eWvLbSTDFOo

 

[The Clamp]

Unfortunately he has a free pass to troll endlessly and has successfully diverted yet another thread to the pit. Any return fire and the hotline to mod towers begins to ring ... same old same old








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For all your stoic pretence and school of hard knocks bluster, you lot don’t half cry and whinge like a load of softies when a mod pulls you up on something.

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

For all your stoic pretence and school of hard knocks bluster, you lot don’t half cry and whinge like a load of softies when a mod pulls you up on something.

You carry on wrapped up in cotton wool nibble
Regards
DF

 

[GrizzlingGammon]

What I find astonishing I get a warning from his mates “Please stop trolling WZ” yet he’s allowed to get away with content like this

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Unfortunately he has a free pass to troll endlessly and has successfully diverted yet another thread to the pit. Any return fire and the hotline to mod towers begins to ring ... same old same old

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You carry on wrapped up in cotton wool nibble
Regards
DF

Today the board is full of

Whine and whinge. Boohoohoo.

 

[Lever]

In my experience with old Winston in the last few years it's less "he's a baddie" but more "he's not as unquestionably good as he was seen as being a few decades ago".

...in other words not a saint

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

Today the board is full of View attachment 140627

Whine and whinge. Boohoohoo.

Hark at Charlie chuckles the number one remoaner LMFAO !!!
Regards
DF

 

[Hamilton]

I look at this practically and strategically, as I do with other key 'matters of the day'. I also believe in persuasion, conciliation, as I've said before "boxing clever". As an environmentalist to an extent decades before anyone else gave a jot, I loved the work of Jonathan Porritt and others.

This is pushing more of the hoi polloi into the hands of the Daily Mail and climate change deniers.

The government aren't hurt by the M25 being blocked. The wall of silence from Labour is telling, they sense the mood music.

The cliche all publicity is good publicity isn't always true.

Imho.

Like you, I've been an environmentalist for longer than I can remember. That's a lie. I can remember.

I started out in the marketing team at The Body Shop in the early 90s, back in the times when everyone was screaming 'freaks' at us; laughing at the aspirations and trying to question and unpick everything we did. I've watched decades of failure to engage with the issues.

I actually find it rather funny how firms like bp are lauding their NetZero campaign now, 30 years too late.

I get your humble opinion.

I guess that in my humble opinion I've watched the issue be ignored for decades, and we now have a matter of a few years left to address it. We simply can't gamble on governments doing the right thing without some direct action. I've written enough letters to my MP (which was pointless, as for many years she was Caroline Lucas.)

 

[nicko31]

People are recycling, using less bags. That's as far as it goes with most people. It will get better.

Interesting England did it 13 years after Ireland, so slow

 

[beorhthelm]

I guess that in my humble opinion I've watched the issue be ignored for decades, and we now have a matter of a few years left to address it. We simply can't gamble on governments doing the right thing without some direct action. I've written enough letters to my MP (which was pointless, as for many years she was Caroline Lucas.)

the issue hasnt been ignored, the solution has. we've reduced emissions by some 40-odd% in twenty years, more than the rest of the G7. we've shifted to solar and wind despite the shortcomings and that's why we have the current energy issue. sure we could save more consumption from better insulation, even best case it'll help a couple %. if the environmentalist didnt roadblock the nuclear solution we'd be done, there's not another way to power developed world reliably.

 

[KeegansHairPiece]

the issue hasnt been ignored, the solution has. we've reduced emissions by some 40-odd% in twenty years, more than the rest of the G7. we've shifted to solar and wind despite the shortcomings and that's why we have the current energy issue. sure we could save more consumption from better insulation, even best case it'll help a couple %. if the environmentalist didnt roadblock the nuclear solution we'd be done, there's not another way to power developed world reliably.

You're blaming environmentalist for our nuclear energy development, seriously? Does that dismiss our reliance on foreign contractors, companies and investment, along with Toshiba shutting down NuGen, Hitachi putting an indefinite hold on a new power plant at Angelsey. Hinckley Point C is projected to cost £22bn and rising - and not without risk given the same reactor at Taishan, China has been shut down this summer due to fears of a leak.

But yeah, must be the pesky environmentalists that have stopped it, not cost, investment, practicalities etc.

 

[nicko31]

the issue hasnt been ignored, the solution has. we've reduced emissions by some 40-odd% in twenty years, more than the rest of the G7. we've shifted to solar and wind despite the shortcomings and that's why we have the current energy issue. sure we could save more consumption from better insulation, even best case it'll help a couple %. if the environmentalist didnt roadblock the nuclear solution we'd be done, there's not another way to power developed world reliably.

I really dispute the 40% bollocks

Doesn't include shipping
Doesn't include air transport
Doesn't take into account outsource emissions to the developing world

We've done the easy bit, now we need a proper plan and I don't see one

 

[A1X]

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[BN9 BHA]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zpTIrx6uAA

Is that the best spokesman they have got?

 

[JC Footy Genius]

For all your stoic pretence and school of hard knocks bluster, you lot don’t half cry and whinge like a load of softies when a mod pulls you up on something.

Oh come along Clampy, just pointing out what we all know to be true. We all play the game to varying degrees (fair enough) whereas the true snowflakes are the ones who troll endlesselly looking for a bite then continually report posts as they can't take what they dish out..

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[beorhthelm]

I really dispute the 40% bollocks

well thats about the figure thats publically acknowledged. or 50% since 1990.
certainly are other emissions exported. if you want to focus no people shipping in goods from across the world and their air travel, i agree. cant say the problem is ignored and we have done nothing.

 

[beorhthelm]

But yeah, must be the pesky environmentalists that have stopped it, not cost, investment, practicalities etc.

so environmentalists are now pro-nuclear? i do hope so.

 

[The Clamp]

Oh come along Clampy, just pointing out what we all know to be true. We all play the game to varying degrees (fair enough) whereas the true snowflakes are the ones who troll endlesselly looking for a bite then continually report posts as they can't take what they dish out..

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Who's reporting you? I think you may have a heightened sense of your own importance. I would say it's more likely that you troll and "banter" and then go overboard and get banned or ticked off or whatever. Perhaps learn to set some boundaries for yourself. But as usual, someone else's fault. As I say, for all your puffed out chests, your little clique sure do get upset easily.
But you're all part of NSC's rich pattern and alright in my book.

 

[WATFORD zero]

Who's reporting you? I think you may have a heightened sense of your own importance. I would say it's more likely that you troll and troll and troll and then go overboard and get banned or ticked off or whatever. Perhaps learn to set some boundaries for yourself. But as usual, someone else's fault. As I say, for all your puffed out chests, your little clique sure do get upset easily.
But you're all part of NSC's rich pattern and alright in my book.

It's the same with [MENTION=534]Chicken Run[/MENTION]. He's absolutely sure that people are reporting him and getting him banned

As I think we found out a few weeks back, all it takes is a few people too busy to post in the Bear Pit for a day or two, and they simply go full on tantrum and get themselves banned without any help from anybody