Insulate Britain protests

[JC Footy Genius]

What I find astonishing I get a warning from his mates “Please stop trolling WZ” yet he’s allowed to get away with content like this

And this



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Unfortunately he has a free pass to troll endlessly and has successfully diverted yet another thread to the pit. Any return fire and the hotline to mod towers begins to ring ... same old same old










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[Pretty pink fairy]

Unfortunately he has a free pass to troll endlessly and has successfully diverted yet another thread to the pit. Any return fire and the hotline to mod towers begins to ring ... same old same old










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Blokes a absolute snake in the grass , I guess that's how he worked his way to the top in life a slippery character at best

Regards
DF

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

You manage to keep the job this time for more than a couple of weeks, get your head down, a couple of promotions to head of all dairy shelves, I'll have a word at the golf club and who knows

The World's your Oyster, Rodney, the world's you oyster

https://youtu.be/nkZdTHmX0TQ

Regards
DF

 

[nicko31]

I have a very good friend who runs the M25 (it’s a £multi-million business) and the lady had had a stroke was on way to hospital but ambulance stuck in the traffic jam

Another 201 Covid deaths yesterday, highest in Europe again and again and again... and many will die of cold this winter due to government incompetence in the failing to secure our energy supplies, not to mention the brutal cut in universal credit

Lets concentrate on the real villains on public health are shall we?

 

[dazzer6666]

The Insulate Britain rep is getting absolutely slaughtered by the GMB team live on TV at the moment……turns out he hasn’t even insulated his own home yet

 

[WATFORD zero]

Blokes a absolute snake in the grass , I guess that's how he worked his way to the top in life a slippery character at best

Regards
DF

What I find astonishing I get a warning from his mates “Please stop trolling WZ” yet he’s allowed to get away with content like this

And this

Unfortunately he has a free pass to troll endlessly and has successfully diverted yet another thread to the pit. Any return fire and the hotline to mod towers begins to ring ... same old same old

Looks like Summer's nearly over, there's even a hint of snowflakes around

 

[Bladders]

My goodness, there's a little sequential run of 'blast from the past' accounts backing one another up that we haven't see for some time. I'm really struggling to remember when

Some people who share an opinion thats not the same as yours?

whatever next

 

[nicko31]

The Insulate Britain rep is getting absolutely slaughtered by the GMB team live on TV at the moment……turns out he hasn’t even insulated his own home yet

Just a distraction from the real issue, tabloid TV

Where is the incentive to insulate? Time to offer council tax reductions as a carrot for properly insulated homes or increase stamp duty on homes that have a low energy score

 

[dazzer6666]

Just a distraction from the real issue, tabloid TV

Where is the incentive to insulate? Time to offer council tax reductions as a carrot for properly insulated homes

Don’t disagree……but if that’s their spokesperson, they are ****ed. Imagine getting owned by Richard ****ing Madeley - he’s lucky Morgan wasn’t there

 

[nicko31]

Don’t disagree……but if that’s their spokesperson, they are ****ed. Imagine getting owned by Richard ****ing Madeley - he’s lucky Morgan wasn’t there

Their guy didn't seem well prepared at all and stormed off, he should have seen the usual tabloid tropes were coming a mile off, they had a Daily Star journo on FFS

Pity there wasn't really any grown up conversation about the state of Britain's leaky housing stock, the absence of incentives, the axing of the code for sustainable homes, the selling off of the green investment bank and a proper exposure of this governments absence of any leadership in this area since 2015.

I recently did a complete reno on a 70's house, all walls were lined internally with 25mm of cellotex to increase thermal performance, it cost. But there was zero incentive given to me to do this

 

[beorhthelm]

I recently did a complete reno on a 70's house, all walls were lined internally with 25mm of cellotex to increase thermal performance, it cost. But there was zero incentive given to me to do this

Shirley your incentive was lower future heating bills and the that warm fuzziness of doing a good thing?

 

[nicko31]

Shirley your incentive was lower future heating bills and the that warm fuzziness of doing a good thing?

Without doubt lower bills and generally a more comfortable house. But I do think the public need a greater incentive than this to act

 

[Hamilton]

Tangibly:

Will these protests get the government to legislate for better insulation? No.

Have they won more friends from the masses, other than their core supporters who'd always follow every possible environment cause? No.


I'd love to hear from a campaigns expert (sitting in the middle professionally, not with a bias either way on climate change), on his or her view on the effect of their sustained blocking of key arteries. Purely common sense says box clever to get the majority on your side and therefore a rump of politicians.

As a litmus test I'm trying to see Starmer and front bench Labour's clear view on these M25 protests and genuinely can't find it.

You don't need to hear from a campaigns expert. Were you talking about this issue with the same ferocity last week?

These people aren't out to make friends, they are out to get noticed and get the issue further up the political agenda. They ain't selling Persil.

And the more this happens, the more it does hurt politicians. Starmer is an example. This is all incredibly uncomfortable him and it will force the politicians into a political position. Doing nothing does nothing.

Behavioural change happens when people have the motivation to do something and the capability and opportunity. Right now, the public motivation is pretty low, but not as low as the access to real steps that can reduce our impact on the planet fast. That requires massive change as hard hitting as Lockdowns. Like Turkeys voting for Christmas, the public won't take on these changes because they will hurt them in the short term.

Insulating homes is just being used as a Trojan horse for so many other massive steps we need to take. For a start, that burger needs to go and we need to eat less. Our cars are obsolete and will have to be replaced in the next 12 months meaning that it is valueless. We also can't go mass events like Glastonbury until we can demonstrate that they are carbon neutral and sorry, but we can't jet off on cheap holidays until electric planes are in place - which will be a lot more expensive. That may mean we need to look at how wealth is distributed.

Oh and we can't have anymore kids. And the list goes on.

The good news is, that we can all live in a different and perhaps more enjoyable way in the future.

Don't worry. We won't. We're human beings and essentially we are selfish and headed only one way - oblivion. But I live in hope.

 

[Weststander]

You don't need to hear from a campaigns expert. Were you talking about this issue with the same ferocity last week?

These people aren't out to make friends, they are out to get noticed and get the issue further up the political agenda. They ain't selling Persil.

And the more this happens, the more it does hurt politicians. Starmer is an example. This is all incredibly uncomfortable him and it will force the politicians into a political position. Doing nothing does nothing.

Behavioural change happens when people have the motivation to do something and the capability and opportunity. Right now, the public motivation is pretty low, but not as low as the access to real steps that can reduce our impact on the planet fast. That requires massive change as hard hitting as Lockdowns. Like Turkeys voting for Christmas, the public won't take on these changes because they will hurt them in the short term.

Insulating homes is just being used as a Trojan horse for so many other massive steps we need to take. For a start, that burger needs to go and we need to eat less. Our cars are obsolete and will have to be replaced in the next 12 months meaning that it is valueless. We also can't go mass events like Glastonbury until we can demonstrate that they are carbon neutral and sorry, but we can't jet off on cheap holidays until electric planes are in place - which will be a lot more expensive. That may mean we need to look at how wealth is distributed.

Oh and we can't have anymore kids. And the list goes on.

The good news is, that we can all live in a different and perhaps more enjoyable way in the future.

Don't worry. We won't. We're human beings and essentially we are selfish and headed only one way - oblivion. But I live in hope.

I look at this practically and strategically, as I do with other key 'matters of the day'. I also believe in persuasion, conciliation, as I've said before "boxing clever". As an environmentalist to an extent decades before anyone else gave a jot, I loved the work of Jonathan Porritt and others.

This is pushing more of the hoi polloi into the hands of the Daily Mail and climate change deniers.

The government aren't hurt by the M25 being blocked. The wall of silence from Labour is telling, they sense the mood music.

The cliche all publicity is good publicity isn't always true.

Imho.

 

[carlzeiss]

The Insulate Britain rep is getting absolutely slaughtered by the GMB team live on TV at the moment……turns out he hasn’t even insulated his own home yet

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zpTIrx6uAA

 

[Baker lite]

I see the usual bunch of belters are out defending this bunch of soap dodging vermin.
The old Bill need to start cracking a few nuts.

 

[Weststander]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zpTIrx6uAA

An surprising analogy made with Winston, as I thought he was today's 'baddie' in the chattering classes.

(I get the 'swimming against the tide' point.).

 

[A1X]

An surprising analogy made with Winston, as I thought he was today's 'baddie' in the chattering classes.

In my experience with old Winston in the last few years it's less "he's a baddie" but more "he's not as unquestionably good as he was seen as being a few decades ago".

 

[Deleted member 22389]

Without doubt lower bills and generally a more comfortable house. But I do think the public need a greater incentive than this to act

People are recycling, using less bags. That's as far as it goes with most people. It will get better.

 

[Weststander]

In my experience with old Winston in the last few years it's less "he's a baddie" but more "he's not as unquestionably good as he was seen as being a few decades ago".

Undoubtedly, like almost every politician and us, a life of positives and not so proud moments.

But his relentless work against the genocidal National Socialists from 1933 onwards, when most of the rest of the nation and elsewhere thought he was a loon, plus his charismatic, cut through the red tape, leadership from 1940 to 1945 …. outweighs anything. Others would’ve thrown in the UK towel. How more tens of millions of Slavs, Jews, intellectuals, homosexuals and disabled would’ve been murdered or starved to death in that enduring Europe?