Immigrants OUT

[CHAPPERS]

I think immigration procedures should be toughened, and err that's about it, there are too many people taking the piss.

Bizarrely enough i think dwayne has said the most sensible and straight the point thing on this thread (only read the first two pages).

Congratumulations.

 

[looney]

Originally posted by Mr Popkins
more people leave Britian each year than arrive.

Thats not true.
This weeks economist states that this government issued 175,000 work permits net in 2002, thats not including illeagals 100,000+ net.


Immigration/emmigration to UK net has been fairly stable up to the mid 1990's with no more than 50,000 net either way.

Since then the figures have rocketed. Since english is the international language where do you think migrants will head?

When EU enlargment happens expect 500,000+ eastern european gypsies to start heading west, guess where they'll be heading?

Expect the BNP to start winning a load more seats.


Immigration -emmigration= net immigration

 

[Curious Orange]

I think people are just worried about things in general, it is a worrying time, after all that stuff with Al Queda, the Americans, Iraq, and stupid house prices and job losses here. Or maybe we're just all suffering post millenium blues.

I know I have certainly been worried. And I have good reason to have been. I have seen parts of the industry I worked in outsourced to overseas because the labour is cheaper. I was then, along with a couple of hundred of my colleagues, made redundant so that our operations could be moved to offices in Hertfordshire. When I was working I had enough money to live comfortably on, but nowhere near enough to be able to buy even a pokey flat, let alone a house. And now I'm finding it difficult to find a new job because I haven't previously used packages x, y, and z, it doesn't seem to matter that I'm a hard and effective worker, and would learn the basics of these pakages in a couple of days I just don't get considered.

So immigrants are the least of my worries at the minute. And I have the advantage that I don't live in fear of terrorist attacks, or being oppressed by the state, of my family being kidnapped and tortured, or being the in the middle of a warzone, or a famine. Or even being burgled or mugged for that matter.

My life is easy, how could I possibly complain?

 

[Windmill]

Perhaps we could set up our own Songatte (not sure if that's spelt right) for our undesirables, people like Dwayne, Looney, Watford...)

We could situate it in South Croydon for example.

 

[Dandyman]

Originally posted by Mr Popkins
more people leave Britian each year than arrive.

Thats not true.
This weeks economist states that this government issued 175,000 work permits net in 2002, thats not including illeagals 100,000+ net.


Immigration/emmigration to UK net has been fairly stable up to the mid 1990's with no more than 50,000 net either way.

Since then the figures have rocketed.

Expect the BNP to start winning a load more seats.


Immigration -emmigration= net immigration [/Q




According to the Home Office website 106,820 people were granted settlement in 2001 (work permits relate to temporary residence not permanent settlement).

In response to a Commons question (House of Commons Hansard Written Answers for 01 May 2002) the National Statistican Len Cook informed Jim Cunningham MP that the figures for emigration of UK citizens had been 142,800 in 1996, 134,500 in 1997, 114,600 in 1998, 126,500 in 1999 and 152,300 in 2000.

Arguements based on actual figures would impress me than wild eyed scaremongering.

 

[looney]

Sorry didn't realise the economist magazine endulged in wild eyed scare mongering.

London's net gain of foreigners, after taking into account those who left as well as those who came, was 120,000 in 2000. And that's just the legal ones.

You got a link? I have.............

http://www.economist.com/world/europe/displayStory.cfm?story_id=1974544

 

[Storer68]

I've got more annoyed with that bastard and his type who's just got nicked in Belgium for people trafficking.

 

[looney]

Also the problem with calling peope scare mongers on race/immigration issues is that they tend to be right.

Enoch powell was clled one when he predicted a 5% immigrant population by 2000. What is it now? 8.5%.

The other big EU countries will not give the Union's new citizens the right to work straight away; they intend to phase it in. Britain, in contrast, will give the newcomers free access to the labour market from the start. The Home Office reckons that will mean 5,000-13,000 extra net migrants a year, but since 20,000 people from those countries tried and failed to get into Britain in 2001, that seems likely to be an underestimate.

 

[looney]

I found the reference...........

http://www.economist.com/displaystory.cfm?story_id=1974459

For 20 years, until the early 1990s, net immigration to Britain hovered around the zero mark, plus or minus 50,000. Then numbers started rising................................................................................... ..........In the mid-1990s, around 30,000 work permits a year were being issued. In 2002, 137,500 were. More people have been given asylum; and, as the system got bogged down, more people have waited longer while their applications were processed. So, by 2001, net migration to Britain as a whole had risen to 172,000, with 120,000 of them bound for London and the south-east. And they're only the legal ones.

 

[Dandyman]

I found the reference...........

http://www.economist.com/displaystory.cfm?story_id=1974459

Looney, there are 3 individual types of migration in that quote.

Work Permits are issued by Work Permits (UK) to non - EU nationals for posts which can not be filled by EU nationals, are "shortage occupations", part of training programmes or for certain specialist occupations such as footballers or board level appointments. They do not relate to permanent settlement.

I have given the figures for actual immigration, which is tightly controlled, above and we have discussed asylum before.

I think "wild eyed" is entirely fair. Powell spoke of the "river Tiber foaming with much blood" and the "black man having the whip hand over the white man" - do you seriously believe either prediction to have come true ?