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But what's teamwork got to do with a basic individual error like missing a tackle? There is this myth on NSC that we lost to Reading because Virgs played in midfield. That's rubbish, isn't it?
 




Brighton Breezy

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Jul 5, 2003
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We need to play people in the same positions.

If Reid is to now be a wing back not a midfielder then keep as wing back.

If Virgo is to be a forward then keep him up there.

Our squad is not as talented but also the better players are flexible enough to fit into any system. Players like the ones we have would be better if they were given a job and had to do it week in week out. Then they could concentrate on getting that one right instead of being chopped about all the time.

McGhee HAS done well getting us up. Of that there is not doubt BUT his tactics are seeing us concede goals at a very alarming rate and he seems very blase about the whole situation.
 


CHAPPERS

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Jul 5, 2003
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Uncle Buck said:
But if players consitently play in their natural or set position, game after game, with generally the same players around them they will generally work as a team. The chopping and changing of tactics can lead to a situation where people do not know what they are doing. I do advocate finding a system that works and sticking to it and with the players available I believe that is 5-3-2.

EXACTLY.
 


Uncle Buck

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Jul 7, 2003
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London Irish said:
But what's teamwork got to do with a basic individual error like missing a tackle? There is this myth on NSC that we lost to Reading because Virgs played in midfield. That's rubbish, isn't it?

Virgo playing in 3 different positions in that game did not help, the poor lad did not know whether he was coming or going. I did not think he looked comfortable in the midfield, in the last few games he has looked like a forward. I think we lost to Reading because of the injuries that occured in that game, a questionable goal, tactics that were all about containment, so when we went 1-0 down we did not really not know what to do and a bit of bad luck.
 


Uncle Buck said:
the poor lad did not know whether he was coming or going

Please. He started off in midfield, for which there would have been rigorous training sessions for. Nothing I've seen from Hammond or Nicolas recently was any better than what he produced.

The early injury to Hinsh meant he slotted back into the back 4. It was there he played most of the game. Again, not a problem given his experience of playing alongside Butters - shame he made the individual error, but that happens in football, look at all the goal-conceding errors Hinsh made before his unlucky injury.

When we went behind, Virgs was then naturally put up front. This tactic has galvanised us in a number of games this season.

Did the poor lad know whether he was coming and going when he was switched from centre back to centre forward during the Watford game and promptly helped create the goal that won the game? Did he know whether he was coming or going when McGhee did the same thing at Leeds and his storming performance was a factor in allowing us to save the game?

Virgs is a big boy. He can cope with what the manager asks him to do and he's invariably coped excellently.
 




Uncle Buck

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London Irish said:
Please. He started off in midfield, for which there would have been rigorous training sessions for. Nothing I've seen from Hammond or Nicolas recently was any better than what he produced.

The early injury to Hinsh meant he slotted back into the back 4. It was there he played most of the game. Again, not a problem given his experience of playing alongside Butters - shame he made the individual error, but that happens in football, look at all the goal-conceding errors Hinsh made before his unlucky injury.

When we went behind, Virgs was then naturally put up front. This tactic has galvanised us in a number of games this season.

Did the poor lad know whether he was coming and going when he was switched from centre back to centre forward during the Watford game and promptly helped create the goal that won the game? Did he know whether he was coming or going when McGhee did the same thing at Leeds and his storming performance was a factor in allowing us to save the game?

Virgs is a big boy. He can cope with what the manager asks him to do and he's invariably coped excellently.

This is where you fall down, you have been quite interesting to talk to this afternoon, but that post you have reverted to type. Little jibes at somebody elses opinion, with attempts at sarcasim and you try and make your OPINION sound like fact.

I think Virgo being changed position 3 times in that game was detrimental to both him and his teamates and that was reflected in the result.
 
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3gulls

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Jul 26, 2004
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KinkyGoebels said:
Time for Mcghee to go if Brighton go down?

I was in full support of him but now he has single messed up just about everything he could have over past 6 games.

Either him or Potless or both! No re-investment in the team, or failure to find the necessary players has cost us our Championship status! :censored:
 


Uncle Buck said:
This is where you fall down, you have been quite interesting to talk to this afternoon, but that post you have reverted to type. Little jibes at somebody elses opinion, with attempts at sarcasim and you try and make your OPINION sound like fact.

I think Virgo being changed position 3 times in that game was detrimental to both him and his teamates and that was reflected in the result.

I see - had enough already? You just can't cope with someone disagreeing with you and mapping out an alternative view with facts and arguments, can you? Sometimes I think it's worth having a discussion with you about football because we've had a good afternoon of civilised discussion. Then right at the end you go and lose it.

Uncle Buck, your personal attacks won't stop me disagreeing with your footballing opinions, get used to it.

You present the fact that Virgs changed position 3 times in the game as some kind of McGhee masterplan. It was a result of injury. Can you admit that?
 
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Safeway said:
Rich. VERY rich.

Bringing your McCammon banner on Saturday, then? :drink: :drink: :drink:
 


Charlies Shinpad

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KinkyGoebels said:
Time for Mcghee to go if Brighton go down?

I was in full support of him but now he has single messed up just about everything he could have over past 6 games.



Most importantly,will he want to stay as he still hasnt signed his contract has he??
 




Kinky Gerbil

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Jul 16, 2003
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junior said:
Im sure he does support the club,as i and every other Brighton fan the posts on this Board does.

Whatever he says about MM is an opinion and right or wrong,surely he is entitled to an opinion as much as the rest of us??

Why do people resort to using words such as "why dont you just f*** off" as a reply to somebodys OPINION??

For the record i dont agree with the MM out theme,so i dont bother to post.But it doesnt give me the right to tell him to "f*** off".

Whoever said this surely has a mentality far worse.

Thank you and uncle buck for realising it is a message board not a bible on what is going to appen
 


Kinky Gerbil

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Sorry but I utterly disagree with playing Virgo in Midfield.
What message does it send out to Hammond and nichlos?
You are not even good enough to start ahead of virgo in the middle
 


Simster

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Jul 7, 2003
54,952
Surrey
London Irish said:
You present the fact that Virgs changed position 3 times in the game as some kind of McGhee masterplan. It was a result of injury. Can you admit that?
Even in your reply, you yet again choose to present your opinion as fact.

Basically, that statement is nonsense. The very point UB is trying to make is that he does understand why Virgo started in midfield! You justify it by saying he'd had rigourous training. Apart from the fact that you don't even know whether he was given extra "midfield" training (whatever that is), it is NOT his natural position. Why pay other players to play in midfield if you're going to move your defender come striker into that position. It makes no sense.

Only two positions at best were necessary.
 




McGhee was quoted as saying they trained with that formation :rolleyes:
 


saafend_seagull

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Jul 5, 2003
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eagles #1 said:
How can you be 10 points clear then fall into relegation? Not a good manager.

No strength in depth compared to other teams.

We could only afford to bring in players at cover our injuries.

We do not have the players. No way should Mcghee go.
 


Kinky Gerbil

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London Irish said:
McGhee was quoted as saying they trained with that formation :rolleyes:

That makes itr even worse when you have two decent midfielders at the club in Hammond and Nicholas, thats really going to motivate them at training seeing a cb playing in mf
 


KinkyGoebels said:
Sorry but I utterly disagree with playing Virgo in Midfield.
What message does it send out to Hammond and nichlos?
You are not even good enough to start ahead of virgo in the middle

Yep, Virgs is a much better player than those guys. Hammond and particularly Nicolas may develop into very fine players but they are not there yet.

But let's keep discussing these 20 uneventful minutes in the Reading game as if it shaped our entire season :)
 




Kinky Gerbil

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saafend_seagull said:
No strength in depth compared to other teams.

We could only afford to bring in players at cover our injuries.

We do not have the players. No way should Mcghee go.

Mccammon didnt cover injurys he was just a waste of money
he will struggle to score in lg 1 next year

and if you stick to 3 5 2 there was plenty of cover
 


Kinky Gerbil

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London Irish said:
Yep, Virgs is a much better player than those guys. Hammond and particularly Nicolas may develop into very fine players but they are not there yet.

But let's keep discussing these 20 uneventful minutes in the Reading game as if it shaped our entire season :)

Oatway and Virgo is not a championship midfield its barley a lg 1 midfield

I would say you would struggle to find someone to disagree with that,, but that doesnt normally matter to you
 


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