Im A Celebrity Get Me Out Of Here!

[Hiney]

Don't forget the full-stop, Hiney.

Sorry.

 

[Buzzer]

Has TiD gone away?

Gone to find his muse.

 

[Tesco in Disguise]

Would you like to discuss art?

Or are we discussing the merits of reality TV?

reality tv is an art form.

"better" is not really a word that can be applied to art.

i disagree, nib. if you don't, you cannot distinguish between what's art and what's not.

The answer to your question anyway, is that of course there is no 'good' or 'bad' art. The merit of any work of art is purely and squarely in the eye of the viewer. If I love it then it IS great [to me]. If the next guy comes along and hates it then it IS shit [to him.].

I know you will not agree with this but it is true. One set of splashes of paint on a canvas cannot technically be 'better' than another*, just appreciated by more or less people.

*Unless SPECIFIC criteria were set down prior to the creation of the works - for example to create a life-like likeness

like niblet, if you don't say what's good art and bad art, you have trouble saying what's art at all. if i sneeze on my screen, entitle it 'my family and other animals', and call it art, you have to say it's as good as the sistene chapel. whereas i can say 'if it's art, it's shit art.'

your 'specific criteria' are set down before the creation of works - it is art itself. and appreciation, of course, comes into it. but popular art like zoo magazine, is inferior to, say, a book of escher's work (even though it is more popular) because of the objective qualities it has, that zoo hasn't.

 

[Perry Milkins]

Isn't there another thread for that?

By the way, no, she shouldn't.

Look pal. I posted earlier on. It was FOR YOU to respond on. Am I not cliquey enough for an old scrote like you?

 

[Wozza]

A&F = Abercombie and Fitch. Top brand. Excellently tailored clothes. Very popular with the gayers. It is to FCUK what FCUK is to Next, if you get my drift.

It's more like Gap really.

Although, like FCUK, it always offers a sizable range of T-shirts with 'comedy' slogans.

 

[Perry Milkins]

You need to move down to Brighton away from SJLM's lot, sir.

Feed the inner metrosexual and embrace your sensitive side.

A&F = Abercombie and Fitch. Top brand. Excellently tailored clothes. Very popular with the gayers. It is to FCUK what FCUK is to Next, if you get my drift.

Thank you. I will stick with St Michael and BHS thank you.

 

[Tesco in Disguise]

'fcuk' is an anagram of 'f***'.

i just got it.

 

[Tesco in Disguise]

Tesco, have you just been owned AGAIN?

look, lokki, andy warhol's finest work.

 

[hans kraay fan club]

like niblet, if you don't say what's good art and bad art, you have trouble saying what's art at all. if i sneeze on my screen, entitle it 'my family and other animals', and call it art, you have to say it's as good as the sistene chapel. whereas i can say 'if it's art, it's shit art.'

your 'specific criteria' are set down before the creation of works - it is art itself. and appreciation, of course, comes into it. but popular art like zoo magazine, is inferior to, say, a book of escher's work (even though it is more popular) because of the objective qualities it has, that zoo hasn't.

Once again, you are choosing to miss the point, which is highly typical, contrary teenage behaviour [that IS meant to be patronising btw].

I can say whether art is good or bad to me. You can say whether art is good or bad to you. It is NOT possible to categorise good and bad art par se. I do not have to say that your sneeze is 'as good as the cistine chapel' at all, as I would be free as with anything else to judge it on its merits, in my personal opinion.

Of course it may be widely considered to be terrible art, in that 99.9% of viewers may decree it so. If one person decides that it means something to them, and regard it as a great work, then it become so, if only to them.

I could go on, but you just don't get it, so I'm going to do some work instead.

 

[Rusthall Seagull]

reality tv is an art form.



i disagree, nib. if you don't, you cannot distinguish between what's art and what's not.



like niblet, if you don't say what's good art and bad art, you have trouble saying what's art at all. if i sneeze on my screen, entitle it 'my family and other animals', and call it art, you have to say it's as good as the sistene chapel. whereas i can say 'if it's art, it's shit art.'

your 'specific criteria' are set down before the creation of works - it is art itself. and appreciation, of course, comes into it. but popular art like zoo magazine, is inferior to, say, a book of escher's work (even though it is more popular) because of the objective qualities it has, that zoo hasn't.

aha, now I get you.....like a good post or a shit post ?


.....shit post....

 

[Lokki 7]

Look Tesco, how the whole world would work if you had your way.

 

[Tesco in Disguise]

firstly, hans, your patronising was spot on. message well and truly received. well done.

second, i do understand your relativist position. and you do have to concede that my sneeze is as GOOD as the ceiling as long as i genuinely consider it to be so. and how can you agree with that?

 

[Nibble]

but "batter" is a word that can be applied to children.


nibble - I'm only joshing, mate

I know. I will live with this for the rest of my days!

 

[Tesco in Disguise]

aha, now I get you.....like a good post or a shit post ?


.....shit post....

exactly. my posts are 'good' because they are coherent, lucid and compelling.

yours aren't because...well, if you can't see that i can't help you.

but i'm happy you're catching up.

 

[Uncle Buck]

So this thread is no longer about 'I'm a Celebrity' but who can do the best London Irish impression?

 

[Tesco in Disguise]

do i win?

 

[Uncle Buck]

do i win?

No chance.

 

[Buzzer]

It's more like Gap really.

Although, like FCUK, it always offers a sizable range of T-shirts with 'comedy' slogans.

nah...Gap is a bit more ITV. A&F is BBC4.

Therefore it's BETTER

 

[Nibble]

reality tv is an art form.



i disagree, nib. if you don't, you cannot distinguish between what's art and what's not.



like niblet, if you don't say what's good art and bad art, you have trouble saying what's art at all. if i sneeze on my screen, entitle it 'my family and other animals', and call it art, you have to say it's as good as the sistene chapel. whereas i can say 'if it's art, it's shit art.'

your 'specific criteria' are set down before the creation of works - it is art itself. and appreciation, of course, comes into it. but popular art like zoo magazine, is inferior to, say, a book of escher's work (even though it is more popular) because of the objective qualities it has, that zoo hasn't.

Yes, I see where you are coming from but to use words like "better" you are implying that something can be worse and I don't think art can be describes as such. Yes if you are looking for a picture of boobs then Zoo mag will be better than eschers work. However I don't regard Zoo as art.

You can compare obviously but comparing Zoo and Escher is like comparing air and water. which is better depends how thirsty you are.

 

[Rusthall Seagull]

exactly. my posts are 'good' because they are coherent, lucid and compelling.

yours aren't because...well, if you can't see that i can't help you.

but i'm happy you're catching up.

forgive me, oh lucid, compelling and coherent one........you seem to have misunderstood me. I was saying your post was shit....oh, sorry, just caught up, you turned it around and said it was my post that was shit....!?

good work megabrain