[Albion] If Ferguson is now worth £51m, maybe Hürzeler might consider letting him play?

[LamieRobertson]

And I don't think we should be strengthening West Ham in any way. Without Bowen and Antonio they'll struggle massively. With a fresh striker they could easily finish higher in the table than us.

If Evan isn't going to play here then a loan deal makes sense but surely Championship, where he'd be devastating or abroad? Strengthening a direct rival is just weird.

Today’s rumour mill on the bbc website suggested WH are interested in Calvert Lewin….wait n see on that one

 

[GT49er]

Today’s rumour mill on the bbc website suggested WH are interested in Calvert Lewin….wait n see on that one

Everton loan for Fergie then.

 

[Machiavelli]

I remember when all the medical experts on NSC stated for sure that there were injuries under RDZ because he was over training. After some information emerged on here they all then decided it was because he wasn't training them enough......

Who was it that said RDZ and his merry-band of training men were under-training them? It's just that I've been told the opposite by someone else.

 

[Guinness Boy]

Who was it that said RDZ and his merry-band of training men were under-training them? It's just that I've been told the opposite by someone else.

It was put on here by @Bozza IIRC


Edit- found it.

I'm sure I've posted on here before that, within the club last season, there was a concern that De Zerbi's training methods were responsible, at least in part, for our horrendous injury list.

And not because players were overtrained, but they did too little intense physical training and just weren't fully equipped for the rigours of the grind of Premier League football.

 

[Guinness Boy]

Everton loan for Fergie then.

Would be even sillier. Another club with just as much potential as West Ham but an awful style of football that Moyes won't improve.

 

[Machiavelli]

Wieffer now training. Effectively we have 3 players out now. - Igor, Milner, and Ferdi. Everyone else is training or due to be training in next couple of days.

Is this on the basis of a FH latest press conference? Does it mean that the Rutter and Minteh hamstring injuries that Naylor reported yesterday will not keep them out for long?

 

[pigmanovich]

Is this on the basis of a FH latest press conference? Does it mean that the Rutter and Minteh hamstring injuries that Naylor reported yesterday will not keep them out for long?

Seems so - fingers crossed. Fabi described them as small issues currently under assessment, appears he expects them to be available for Utd

 

[chaileyjem]

Is this on the basis of a FH latest press conference? Does it mean that the Rutter and Minteh hamstring injuries that Naylor reported yesterday will not keep them out for long?

Hurzeler said that they were "small issues": and they would be training "today, or tomorrow".

 

[Sarisbury Seagull]

And I don't think we should be strengthening West Ham in any way. Without Bowen and Antonio they'll struggle massively. With a fresh striker they could easily finish higher in the table than us.

If Evan isn't going to play here then a loan deal makes sense but surely Championship, where he'd be devastating or abroad? Strengthening a direct rival is just weird.

Oh I'd rather he went to Championship team, mainly because I don't think he will make much of an impact in the PL at the moment. I think the Championship is more his current level where he's likely to actually learn his craft, score some goals and build his confidence. I do worry with a PL loan that over the course of the season he won't get any more minutes elsewhere than he would here when their injured players return.

But if he is going to get a PL loan as Hurzeler has hinted, I would much rather he was working under Potter than a number of the other coaches. I appreciate we probably differ on this!

 

[Guinness Boy]

Oh I'd rather he went to Championship team, mainly because I don't think he will make much of an impact in the PL at the moment. I think the Championship is more his current level where he's likely to actually learn his craft, score some goals and build his confidence. I do worry with a PL loan that over the course of the season he won't get any more minutes elsewhere than he would here when their injured players return.

But if he is going to get a PL loan as Hurzeler has hinted, I would much rather he was working under Potter than a number of the other coaches. I appreciate we probably differ on this!

I might surprise you but Potter makes sense. Similar style of football to FH, Evan obviously knows him. Far better than going to a Moyes run team. That's actually a reason that gifting Evan to West Ham is daft. There'd be almost zero set up / getting to know you time.

 

[Hiheidi]

Oh I'd rather he went to Championship team, mainly because I don't think he will make much of an impact in the PL at the moment. I think the Championship is more his current level where he's likely to actually learn his craft, score some goals and build his confidence. I do worry with a PL loan that over the course of the season he won't get any more minutes elsewhere than he would here when their injured players return.

But if he is going to get a PL loan as Hurzeler has hinted, I would much rather he was working under Potter than a number of the other coaches. I appreciate we probably differ on this!

I mean Evan should be looking at our injury situation and be able to see a way to force himself in the team.

 

[JBizzle]

I mean Evan should be looking at our injury situation and be able to see a way to force himself in the team.

I agree. His injury came at an unfortunate time for him, but if he's back training then (unless we sign another striker, which I sincerely doubt) he should be pushing hard to start here. I still maintain that when fully fit, confident and being supplied the right ammunition, Ferguson will still meet the potential we've all seen.

 

[Sarisbury Seagull]

I mean Evan should be looking at our injury situation and be able to see a way to force himself in the team.

Really? As per the injury thread, our injury situation is not that bad.

By the weekend, unless we pick up any injuries up this week, we will have Welbeck, Joao Pedro, Rutter and Enciso all as options to play up front and all ahead of him in the pecking order. Bearing in mind all of those players have suffered injuries at some point this season already and he still hasn't featured much, I think it's quite clear he needs to go out on loan.

The current Evan Ferguson is not much use to us anyway. He needs to go out and get some proper minutes and goals under his belt.

 

[Gabbiano]

I might surprise you but Potter makes sense. Similar style of football to FH, Evan obviously knows him. Far better than going to a Moyes run team. That's actually a reason that gifting Evan to West Ham is daft. There'd be almost zero set up / getting to know you time.

Assuming he doesn't turn into Monsieur 'xG' Maupay under Potter!

In all seriousness it would be a good footballing move, Potter knows how to get his strikers involved and influential in the build up.

But I'm also concerned that West Ham are too close behind us to risk strengthening them. A couple of extra goals can mean a couple of extra wins and all of a sudden they're in front of us.

 

[aolstudios]

‘’Back soon’’ was fabs quote today

It generally is

 

[Greg Bobkin]

I might surprise you but Potter makes sense. Similar style of football to FH, Evan obviously knows him. Far better than going to a Moyes run team. That's actually a reason that gifting Evan to West Ham is daft. There'd be almost zero set up / getting to know you time.

Maybe this is a bigger issue than looking purely at the club's performance this season? Maybe they look at EF – a young striker with a lot of potential, but who isn't getting much game time – and think the best thing for HIM would be to get him back firing in a competitive team. There is no guarantee that he alone will propel the happy hammers up the table, leapfrogging the Albion in the process but, if that did happen – and he comes back for the 2025/26 season (possibly as the main man) it *might* be a good (long-term) thing, no?

He has respect for the club for not letting him fester without getting much game time, the squad gets a fit and firing Evan back for next season and everyone (apart from the fans who are petrified of him being another one who could 'slip through the net) is happy.

I might be completely wrong, but I do think it's important for the club to take on board the hopes/aspirations of the players – and the evidence suggests that they do – sometimes even if it might strengthen other teams.

 

[GT49er]

Would be even sillier. Another club with just as much potential as West Ham but an awful style of football that Moyes won't improve.

You mean hoofing the ball upfield fr a big CF to bang in, and wingers just crossing the ball instead of passing it from side to side? Young Evan might just enjoy that.

Besides, if it strengthens Everton they're still no threat to us, and any extra points they get they will have taken from teams who might be a threat to us. There's no need whatsoever to fear lending him to another PL team - whoever they are, any extra points they take will be taken from someone else; win/win.

 

[RandyWanger]

Who was it that said RDZ and his merry-band of training men were under-training them? It's just that I've been told the opposite by someone else.

I thought it was one of the players, Dunk I think mentioned training under Fab vs RDZ. Along the lines of; "we thought training under RDZ was tough, Fab is way more intense"

But back on the new topic, if Evan goes to a rival (I class anyone outside the top 6 or bottom 3 here) it'll be a huge mistake, especially with our injury prone squad.

RUSG to bang them in for fun and gain some confidence back might be a good one. The Championship could be a bit too physical and risk further injuries.

 

[MikeHimself]

I agree. His injury came at an unfortunate time for him, but if he's back training then (unless we sign another striker, which I sincerely doubt) he should be pushing hard to start here. I still maintain that when fully fit, confident and being supplied the right ammunition, Ferguson will still meet the potential we've all seen.

I think Fab has made it clear in a number of interviews that he both values and will likely only play forwards who are committed to counter-pressing to win the ball back higher up the pitch and reduce/slow the options for a transition/counter-attack when we lose the ball. He praised Danny in today’s Ipswich presser for a 60/70 metre sprint to help our defence and it was interesting that he commented on both Danny’s age and that younger players can learn from his attitude. Similarly with Julio he pointed out that his goal against Norwich came from an effective counter press. Evan hasn’t really shown that particular commitment in the games he’s played and that may be a significant factor in whether he goes out on loan and which club would best suit him if he did.

 

[Oh_aye]

Oh I'd rather he went to Championship team, mainly because I don't think he will make much of an impact in the PL at the moment. I think the Championship is more his current level where he's likely to actually learn his craft, score some goals and build his confidence. I do worry with a PL loan that over the course of the season he won't get any more minutes elsewhere than he would here when their injured players return.

But if he is going to get a PL loan as Hurzeler has hinted, I would much rather he was working under Potter than a number of the other coaches. I appreciate we probably differ on this!

Agreed. I'd prefer him flat track bullying in the champ. I reckon in the prem he just sits on someone else's bench / treatment table.