I saw Mark Mcghee at Brighton Station last night...

[Icy Gull]

Then you should have asked for expensive players, not quality players, as often times there is a notable difference.

I didn't claim anything about money. I mentioned Dick Knight's interview in which he said he was struggling to bring players in while Mark McGhee was manager. Perhaps it was a case of McGhee's wages being too much of a burden on the wage bill meaning we couldn't stretch to wages that would entice players. Maybe McGhee wouldn't stand for Dick Knight bringing in players he (MM) didn't want and so was deliberately obtuse and off putting when meeting players. Or maybe it was his (MM's) reputation that put players off.

That year you limited to conveniently falls just a couple of months short of the £300K spent on murray.

Quality players are generally expensive, and that I suggest is the reason McGhee struggled to bring players in. Knight was full of bluster at the time and he is very economical with the truth where funds are concerned. I don't accept the suggestion that players didn't want to come because of McGhee. He hasn't had trouble anywhere else so that would suggest, to anyone with an open mind, the money was not available and we play in a shit hole as being the reason. Flamer was not approved so we didn't have that as a selling point, as we do now

Anyway I give up, I cannot argue with people who are consistently unable to give McGhee credit for anything, no he wasn't anywhere near perfect but he's a f*** of a sight better than we've had since

 

[Billy the Fish]

McGhee killed it for me at Luton Away. To start with trolley and turienzo up front witgh CKR on the bench was shocking, it's like admitting defeat before you've started.

 

[Acker79]

Of course. I'm the one dearly holding onto my opinion of Mark McGhee, refusing to acknowledge others' opinions. How obtuse of me.

 

[Icy Gull]

Of course. I'm the one dearly holding onto my opinion of Mark McGhee, refusing to acknowledge others' opinions. How obtuse of me.

You give him no credit at all, that is somewhat obtuse, yes.

 

[Acker79]

You give him no credit at all, that is somewhat obtuse, yes.

Yes, and you and US have not criticised him at all.

I'm not saying you are wrong for not criticising him. You two are putting forward your arguments for why you think he was good for brighton. If you put forward ways to criticise him, you're not arguing your case very well.

I'm saying why I don't think he was all that good (I've also provided information - the tables, 'quality' signings - when requested to back up my argument). If I'm arguing his bad side, I'm hardly going to start praising him, am I?

 

[turienzo's lovechild]

So, should we give the credit for that profit to Gordon Strachan, not McGhee, since he "did us a favour" - indicating he knew he was paying more than the player was worth?

And of course, by 'he was paying' I mean he convinced the celtic board to spend more than they had to.

*I just edited the post above, I remembered the youth team thing.

virgo was pretty much nothing before mcghee came about......coppell didn't rate him at all

it was mcghee who started to use him and harding as full backs and it was mcghee who started using him as a striker to good effect

 

[Da Man Clay]

virgo was pretty much nothing before mcghee came about......coppell didn't rate him at all

it was mcghee who started to use him and harding as full backs and it was mcghee who started using him as a striker to good effect

Indeed. Wasn't Virgo on loan at Exter and going nowhere when Coppell left? MM takes a great deal of credit for the Virgo transfer, given that he A)Kept us in the championship by putting him up front and B) Managed to blag 1.5 mil when he was at best worth £500k. McGhee had his problems though and should have gone in the summer we got relegated. It was ridiculous the way he went in the end.

 

[Storer68]

Mark McGhee's managerial career

Team From To Games Won Lost Drawn
Motherwell 18-06-2007 Present 82 32 32 18
Brighton 28-10-2003 08-09-2006 139 40 61 38 (Lost 43 %)
Millwall 25-09-2000 15-10-2003 163 75 49 39
Wolves 13-12-1995 05-11-1998 159 65 55 39
Leicester 14-12-1994 07-12-1995 51 16 21 14
Reading 10-05-1991 14-12-1994 183 79 53 51

 

[GT49er]

www.soccerbase.com - The Internet Soccer Database
Drop down menu at the bottom to change seasons and see the other quality players we've brought in since McGhee went.

Potentially fascinating site this - thanks for the link. Unfortunately, the information doesn't go back very far (nowhere near as far as the drop-down menu!)

Interesting to see we've still got Martin Keown on loan from the Arse, though!

 

[Horney]

Good manager though he is, all the player problems he had at Brighton had one thing in common.
Knight, Macammon, Noel-Williams, Jarrett, CKR...etc
( I don't think it needs spelling out )

 

[Uncle Spielberg]

Black ?.

 

[Uncle Spielberg]

Also you forgot about CK-R.

 

[Kenhead]

McGhee also got the best out of that turd Leon Knight with 27 goals in his first season in charge and his constant disrputive influence.

Knight scored 9 goals in open play during that season once McGhee took over, 4 of them were in November (the month he took over) so if anything Knights goals dryed up under McGhee...

 

[Deleted member 2719]

Mcghee is back where he belongs scottish football the problem is he thought he was bigger than the Albion.
The fact is he wasn't.

 

[Barrel of Fun]

...the problem is he thought he was bigger than the Albion.

That is simply not true.

Mark McGhee's managerial career

Team From To Games Won Lost Drawn
Brighton 28-10-2003 08-09-2006 139 40 61 38 (Lost 43 %)

Two seasons batting well above our natural position.

 

[Deleted member 2719]

That is simply not true.

Sorry BOF but it as close as true as you can get a VERY close friend of McGhee's told me on the day of his very first game away to Peterborough.

Mcghee friends words to me were "Mark feels he should not be managing a club like Brighton as he feels he is better than them and should be a premiership manager".
Not something you want to hear from a source very close to the new Manager of your team after his very first game.

 

[turienzo's lovechild]

Good manager though he is, all the player problems he had at Brighton had one thing in common.
Knight, Macammon, Noel-Williams, Jarrett, CKR...etc
( I don't think it needs spelling out )

they're all pricks?!

i don't think he had any form of falling out with GNW though

 

[Guy Fawkes]

Mcghee is back where he belongs scottish football the problem is he thought he was bigger than the Albion.
The fact is he wasn't.

I'd agree with that, I believe he never rated the players he had at the club, and that meant he didn't trust them as a team to be able to play attacking football, hence his constant negative tactics and constant running down of his players in the media.

What made him a poor manager IMO was his inability to work with and bring the best out of what he had at his disposal, the players that ultimately ended up wanting to or being forced to leave, like McCammon, a player he praised the previous season as being the difference that lead to our survival in the Championship but was humiliated by bring thrown off the team coach, and told he had no future at the club because he dared question a decision / tactic by McGhee, Something CKR did and was sold shortly after.

McGhee was a contorl freak, and hated anyone questioning that authority, and when McGhee was making bizarre tactical decisions, like subbing the striker for a defender when losing, or leaving out your top scorer from the squad completely. anyone questioning why was forced out, there was no way back, reguardless of how key they were to the team.

Money was made available to him to bring in players, and fees were agreed for players, but they turned the move down.

If McGhee had been a manager who believed in the players he had there and tried to play more positive football, we could have survived in the second season in the championship, instead we gave up when we had every chance of survival, other teams promoted to the Championship were positive in their approach and finished in the top half of the table.

 

[Guy Fawkes]

Two seasons batting well above our natural position.

I wouldn't call the second season battling, more going out with a whimper than a bang from the division

We had every chance of survival and his negative tactics, especially when we were behind cost us the chance to stay up, there was no fight in the team in the end, thats why he lost the support of a section of fans.

 

[Barrel of Fun]

Sorry BOF but it as close as true as you can get a VERY close friend of McGhee's told me on the day of his very first game away to Peterborough.

Mcghee friends words to me were "Mark feels he should not be managing a club like Brighton as he feels he is better than them and should be a premiership manager".
Not something you want to hear from a source very close to the new Manager of your team after his very first game.

I am not sure it is wise to judge a character from second hand information, whether that be fact or fictional, but whatever floats your boat.

I do remember when he first came to the club, he stated that he did not want to manage a League One side and he got his way at the end of the season.

I notice that you will not take on board second-hand criticism of Wilkins, but gladly accept a negative slant on McGhee. Double standards.

I wouldn't call the second season battling, more going out with a whimper than a bang from the division

We had every chance of survival and his negative tactics, especially when we were behind cost us the chance to stay up, there was no fight in the team in the end, thats why he lost the support of a section of fans.

Batting! You I.e. Nightwatchman: - A tailender forced into batting at number three late on in the day.

We had every chance of survival? That is pushing it a bit, especially considering our budget was a mere fraction of most teams in the league the year we went down. He had lost key players through sales, we lost the backbone of the successful team through sales/injuries/near retirements and our transfer activity was virtually non-existant. There was no fight in the team towards the end as there was nothing left to fight for. Disappointing, but no all the blame should be laid at the feet of McGhee.

His negative tactics got us some famous victories against the odds and defied the boookies to finish in our highest position since the discovery of rain in Lancashire.