I saw Mark Mcghee at Brighton Station last night...

[Icy Gull]

Oh, how wonderful rose-tinted spectacles are! I seem to remember a lot of discontent from fans towards the end of McGhee's days with the Albion. Rumours that he'd lost the dressing room and fall-outs with players, mistakes made (putting Trolley off the bus, playing him in the first team, buying him in the first place), all the fuss with Leon Shight (though I'd be well and truly on McGhee's side in that matter!)
I'm not saqying he was a bad manager - far from it - but there was a definite feeling at the time that it was time for him to go.

I saw Trolly's 1st half performance at Burnley and if he was as arsey as McGhee suggested at half time I'd have told him to make his own way back too. I actually respected McGhee for that as I expect a bit of pride from the Albion players in a relegation fight. Trolly was totally disinterested and wasn't even trying. Once again used as a stick to beat McGhee with though. Trolleys goals helped keep us up the season before so hardly not worth buying.

I agree he had to go but only because the fans were baying for his blood, doesn't make it right though

 

[Kylies Stunt Arse]

I love Dick.

Glad you feel comfortable coming out like that Gareth. Good for you.

 

[Uncle Spielberg]

McGhee's record in his first season

Played 31
Won 14
Drawn 9
Lost 8
Points 51

 

[Icy Gull]

Really? Who did we bring in within a year of McGhee leaving that was a quality player. As for DK he is a master of spin, but if you can tell me these quality players we brought in the season McGhee left I will accept DK's comments about budget as being fact rather than spin.

Acker, have you found those quality players yet??

 

[London Pompous]

The 5-1 home defeat to Stoke was in my all-time Top 5 shittest Albion performances ever, when we were tore apart by a bloke called Rooney (wher's he now?)
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That defeat might have had something to do with the fact that the board had promised all the players whose contracts were up for renewal information as to whether they would get a new contract the following season.

The board had fallen out with each other, and no contract offers were made. The players decided that if the board wouldn't play ball, then neither would they, as they felt let down.

There was nothing that McGhee could do about it.

 

[Uncle Spielberg]

Also there was the small point that we were ALREADY relegated when we played them.

 

[withdeanwombat]

Mr McGhee was - and still is - an exceptional manager,but a rabble of shandy louts put the wind up the board at Bristol and Mr McGhee was sacked.

It was a travesty.

But sadly we cannot reverse it,merely hope that Mr Slade is also exceptional,as all but the BBC Predictor seem to have us doomed.

 

[Barrel of Fun]

McGhee is a good manager and we would be lucky to have him now, but there were too many bridges that were burned and it is pointless speculating about where we would be now if McGhee was still in charge.

Onwards and upwards, eh what?

 

[Firingblanks1]

I watched Motherwell at Inverness Cale Thistle the other week. Motherwell, looked a class act! But hindsight is a great thing! I'm no Adams fan, but one things for sure, we have had far too many managers in the last 10 years......we need stability.....come on Mr Slade you can do it. Or else we are in the mire!

 

[Acker79]

Acker, have you found those quality players yet??

Sorry, I don't spend all evening here, I flit in and out. Logged off to watch mad men on sky plus.

I'm not sure if they're meant to have produced for us, or have pedigree (such as robbie savage) So, from end of september 2006 - end of september 2007 ok...


Brighton's transfers (loans and permanents) in 2006/2007 (after september 2006 only)
*Bas Savage
Alexis Bertin
*Andrew Whing
*Nick Forster
*Dean Bowditch
Alistair John
*Joe O'Cearuill
Zoumana Bakayogo
Nick Ward
Scott Flinders
Zesh Rehman


Brighton's transfers in 2007/2008 (prior to october 2007 only)

*David Martot
*George O'Callaghan
*Matt Richards


www.soccerbase.com - The Internet Soccer Database
Drop down menu at the bottom to change seasons and see the other quality players we've brought in since McGhee went.

I guess which of these are quality players depends on opinion, and measuring stick. Robbie Savage is a quality player, but he wasn't a quality player for us. I should also admit, I don't have a strong recollection of how well these players performed on an individual basis.

Despite that, I've starred the ones I consider 'quality' (and remind you that some may be hazy memories, both ones I've noted as qualities, and the ones I haven't that may deserve it).


My apologies for the delay in response.

 

[Icy Gull]

Sorry, I don't spend all evening here, I flit in and out. Logged off to watch mad men on sky plus.

I'm not sure if they're meant to have produced for us, or have pedigree (such as robbie savage) So, from end of september 2006 - end of september 2007 ok...


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I was actually meaning players that cost the sort of money that McGhee supposedly had available to keep us in the Championship. I think Forster at 75k (?) is the only one of those who we bought? I remain convinced that the oft quoted by DK "money available" to keep us in the Championship or get us back there once we were relegated was non existent and BS from the board. McGhee was on a hiding to nothing without backing, and this was not taken into account by those who hounded him out of this club.

 

[Brovion]

People moaned about McGhee and were pleased when he was sacked. People moaned about Wilkins and were pleased when he was sacked. People moaned about Adams and were pleased when he was sacked. I'm sure some sad little inadequates moaned about all three - and moaned about Coppell as well 'because he was Palace'. You don't have to be a predictions guru to know that people will soon start moaning about Slade - and I bet you it'll be the same ones who weren't happy with Mcghee and/or Wilkins.

 

[Uncle Spielberg]

Adam Virgo - sold to Celtic £ 1 500 000
Adam Virgo - signed from Colchester United £ 0

 

[Uncle Spielberg]

McGhee also got the best out of that turd Leon Knight with 27 goals in his first season in charge and his constant disrputive influence.

 

[Acker79]

I was actually meaning players that cost the sort of money that McGhee supposedly had available to keep us in the Championship. I think Forster at 75k (?) is the only one of those who we bought? I remain convinced that the oft quoted by DK "money available" to keep us in the Championship or get us back there once we were relegated was non existent and BS from the board. McGhee was on a hiding to nothing without backing, and this was not taken into account by those who hounded him out of this club.

Then you should have asked for expensive players, not quality players, as often times there is a notable difference.

I didn't claim anything about money. I mentioned Dick Knight's interview in which he said he was struggling to bring players in while Mark McGhee was manager. Perhaps it was a case of McGhee's wages being too much of a burden on the wage bill meaning we couldn't stretch to wages that would entice players. Maybe McGhee wouldn't stand for Dick Knight bringing in players he (MM) didn't want and so was deliberately obtuse and off putting when meeting players. Or maybe it was his (MM's) reputation that put players off.

That year you limited to conveniently falls just a couple of months short of the £300K spent on murray.

 

[Acker79]

Adam Virgo - sold to Celtic £ 1 500 000
Adam Virgo - signed from Colchester United £ 0

a) Did McGhee sign Virgo/was he manager when dick signed him?

b) Did McGhee handle negotiations, or did Dick Knight?

I don't ask these to prove a point, I ask because I don't know.

I don't like basing opinions of a manager on the price of transfers because as far as I know transfer fees are affected by form, injury, need (as in how desperate a club is for cover iin a certain area, or how desperate a club is for money), which transfer window it is, disciplinary problems (if a team wants to offload someone), who is buying (people tend to drive up the price against rich clubs), and that the chairman has a big say in transfer dealings (if he isn't solely responsible beyond advice from manager).

EDIT: Just had a thought, isn't Adam Virgo a product of our youth set up? Don't they deserve a share in the credit for producing another £1m+ valued player?

Can we give a manager credit for the profit he made on a player he had no hand in buying?

 

[Uncle Spielberg]

a) Did McGhee sign Virgo/was he manager when dick signed him?

b) Did McGhee handle negotiations, or did Dick Knight?

I don't ask these to prove a point, I ask because I don't know.

I don't like basing opinions of a manager on the price of transfers because as far as I know transfer fees are affected by form, injury, need (as in how desperate a club is for cover iin a certain area, or how desperate a club is for money), which transfer window it is, disciplinary problems (if a team wants to offload someone), who is buying (people tend to drive up the price against rich clubs), and that the chairman has a big say in transfer dealings (if he isn't solely responsible beyond advice from manager).

McGhee did not sign Virgo, he was from the youth team

McGhee got £ 1 500 000 as he was good mates with Gordon Strachan and Strachan did us a favour

 

[Acker79]

McGhee did not sign Virgo, he was from the youth team

McGhee got £ 1 500 000 as he was good mates with Gordon Strachan and Strachan did us a favour

So, should we give the credit for that profit to Gordon Strachan, not McGhee, since he "did us a favour" - indicating he knew he was paying more than the player was worth?

And of course, by 'he was paying' I mean he convinced the celtic board to spend more than they had to.

*I just edited the post above, I remembered the youth team thing.

 

[Dickyboy]

McGhee was a grumpy old fart enough said if only coppell had stayed and zamora not gone look where we would be now and if only i could win the Euro Lottery i could buy the club and get us in the premiership

 

[Uncle Spielberg]

So, should we give the credit for that profit to Gordon Strachan, not McGhee, since he "did us a favour" - indicating he knew he was paying more than the player was worth?

And of course, by 'he was paying' I mean he convinced the celtic board to spend more than they had to.

*I just edited the post above, I remembered the youth team thing.

Thats right McGhee can take NO credit for it whatsoever