I hate the Tory Party (apart from Kenneth Clarke)

[Doc Lynam]

You must hate Tony Blair and the Labour Party too then.

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You are of course right, but i find an MP working for BAT a particularly disagreeable situation. As are his views about the danger of his product.

 

[brakespear]

Trouble is if Boris was leading the cons they would get elected he's a very clever man who's convinced everyone hes a half witted buffoon

absolutely this.

 

[drew]

Cameron was PR man for Carlton (TV), wasn't he?

Hardly a proper job. He had previously been engratiated into the Tory party working as a special advisor and no doubt that position assisted in him getting the PR job at Carlton. Let's not forget that when he was with Carlton, part of his job was bigging up the digital terrestial television which Carlton were getting involved with and we know how bad 'ondigital' turned out to be for football!!!

That sums it up perfectly.

Sure, a few of them sit on the Board of big companies, turn up once a year for the AGM, collect their cheques, and disappear into their (second) homes.

There are many reasons to dislike the Tories. Which Uni they went to is not high on the list albeit what they did there might be (e.g. being part of Bullingdon when they were there would be a bit higher as that hardly fits the 'we're all in this together' mantra. Osborne was called Oik at Bullingdon because he only went to St Pauls (Britain's third most expensive public school) rather than Eton or Harrow.)

Gove being a former Murdoch journalist with suspect views on education and poor political strategy judgement (as seen by his willingness to meddle with exams which actually now damages his calls to replace them)

Jeremy Hunt who has suspect judgement as evidenced over Murdoch, threw his SPAD to the wolves, tried to get the NHS element removed from the Opening Ceremony, called the NHS a 60 year mistake etc and now becomes Health Secretary.

Charles Grayling who says its okay for a couple who run a Guest House to refuse a gay couple as customers (despite this being illegal) is now Justice Secretary.

A climate change critic is now environment minister

Someone with a fear of flying is transport minister (you really couldnt make this up - if this was from 'The Thick of It' nobody would believe you) and will be inputting to a major decision on the future of Britain's airport capacity.

It goes on and on.

In defence of Gove - he at least had a job previously, as has Boris. Osborne has failed at most things and Cameron (apart from a spell at Carlton where its fair to say he didnt ingratiate himself to his colleagues) has been part of the Conservative Strategy machine.

But the man who puts them in these positions, ignores the issues and displays such poor judgement. Witness his handling of IDS (who whatever your party, you cannot doubt his intentions) or Warsi who he rightly dumped then begs her to do something else, or Spellman who he apparently told was too old, or Gillan who he sacked whilst himself having a glass of red wine (didnt even offer her one) and so on.

Just how different things would be now if David Davis (another principled politician) had won the Tory leadership instead?

David Davis, wasn't he the pious MP that was so aghast at the erosion of civil liberties that he resigned his seat only to find neither of the main opposition parties stood against him in the by-election and his quest for attention fell flat.

 

[The Modfather]

I don't care what school/uni anyone in power has been too it is irrelevant, what matters to me is what they do when in power and to me what I think of Labour's 13 years in power is...1) took us to war based on a lie (dodgy dossier) the worst thing IMO any political party in power in the UK has ever done in my lifetime! And 2) led us into the deepest recession for 70 years. It is time they had a little spell in the wilderness, I think others feel the same way too.

Just a couple of thoughts, 1) Did the Tories not back the decision to do to war?, and 2) Hasn't the recession got worse in the last 2 years?

 

[Tubby Mondays]

Again it is just an opinion and the OP slams Hunt as being fit to be Helath Minister even though he is been in the job 3/4 days. You can tell that the OP is just being prejudiced for the sake of it, he hasn't even given Hunt a chance in the portfolio yet he is going to be no good blah, blah etc. You and he have pre-judged before you have even given the bloke a chance to show what he can do.

Let me throw in Estelle Morris, Keith Vaz, Harriet Harman and Margaret Beckett (Foreign Secretary) as Labour appointed ministers of people whom should NOT have been appointed to the postitions that they were in.

I don't care what school/uni anyone in power has been too it is irrelevant, what matters to me is what they do when in power and to me what I think of Labour's 13 years in power is...1) took us to war based on a lie (dodgy dossier) the worst thing IMO any political party in power in the UK has ever done in my lifetime! And 2) led us into the deepest recession for 70 years. It is time they had a little spell in the wilderness, I think others feel the same way too.

1) Whatever party was in power at the time would have taken us into that war as we have to kowtow to the Americans. Its up there with going to war in the Falklands in order to win a general election IMO.
2) The global financial meltdown led us into the deepest recession for 70 years. Only one party has led the country into a double dip recession though.

But as you say its just opinion. Does seem strange to put someone in charge of the NHS who thinks its been a 60 year mistake though, surely?

 

[Tubby Mondays]

Trouble is if Boris was leading the cons they would get elected he's a very clever man who's convinced everyone hes a half witted buffoon

Yes. Every little pratfall - stuck on that zipwire, mobile going off on HIGNFY - all stage managed and scripted.

Im actually intrigued by what would happen if he did become P.M.

 

[glasfryn]

all or most MP's are knobs and most also know feck all about feck all
but some people still will doff their caps to them

but I will say that a lot of the women MP's seem to get on with things even if its in the wrong direction
I will be voting for the green candidate as the greens have no chance of getting in ....not in my life time anyway

 

[simmo]

Just a couple of thoughts, 1) Did the Tories not back the decision to do to war?, and 2) Hasn't the recession got worse in the last 2 years?

In answer to point 1) they based any decisions on the information that was a heap of lies in the dodgy dossier concocted by Tony Blair et al. Which was just plain and simple BS.

2) That point is open to debate. No-one is saying we are booming like say China, but then no-one can say we are in a situation like Greece.

If I heard correctly even according to even Ed Milliband in PMQ on Wednesday there had been zero growth under Cameron during his time in tenure, so that would suggest that the situation has got neither better nor worse. What it would have been like under Brown and Darling (if Labour had won) who knows.

 

[Common as Mook]

all or most MP's are knobs and most also know feck all about feck all
but some people still will doff their caps to them

but I will say that a lot of the women MP's seem to get on with things even if its in the wrong direction
I will be voting for the green candidate as the greens have no chance of getting in ....not in my life time anyway

If you live in Brighton, please don't vote green. Abstain.

 

[Rodney Thomas]

I think everyone needs to calm down about Hunt. The guy can dance a mean Zuk-Lombada!

 

[Biscuit]

Ah the 'coalition' rearranging the deck chairs on the titanic.. good to see a party that doesn't represent the views of the public somehow work themselves into a position whereby they are even less representative of the nation.

Tossers. Rich, tax-doding, patronising, hypocritical tossers.

 

[glasfryn]

If you live in Brighton, please don't vote green. Abstain.

she seems to be OK looking in from the outside of Brighton ..............think she might just get in again
I am in Eastbourne where we have a tory Oh! no sorry he is actually a lib dem nah! I was right the first time he is a tory
they are all the same any one that might be any good does not last long anyway

 

[simmo]

1) Whatever party was in power at the time would have taken us into that war as we have to kowtow to the Americans. Its up there with going to war in the Falklands in order to win a general election IMO.
2) The global financial meltdown led us into the deepest recession for 70 years. Only one party has led the country into a double dip recession though.

But as you say its just opinion. Does seem strange to put someone in charge of the NHS who thinks its been a 60 year mistake though, surely?

1) What? We didn't kowtow to the USA with Vietnam, or Panama or Grenada. We didn't have to go to war based on a dossier of lies. And as for the Falklands analogy that is just pathetic, I along with others seem to remember Argentinian flags flying over Port Stanley, I don't seem to remember anything similar for the 2nd Gulf War.

2) Right so the reason we went into a recession was global financial meltdown, the reason we got back into is because purely of the Tories policies and nothing to do with the global situation ok. I guess the Euro crisis just doesn't count in your eyes when the Tories are in charge eh. but global affairs are the sole reason Labour got us into this mess in the first place. You can't really have that one both ways.

Did he say this? I have no idea whether Hunt has said that or not and don't really care. It is what he does that matters. Alistair Darling said a lot of radical things when he was younger, and Ken Livingstone too, it is what they did when they were in charge that makes me decide what I think of them.

 

[ROSM]

1)
Did he say this? I have no idea whether Hunt has said that or not and don't really care. It is what he does that matters. Alistair Darling said a lot of radical things when he was younger, and Ken Livingstone too, it is what they did when they were in charge that makes me decide what I think of them.

yep he said it and that was only 2 years ago. Maybe he's matured in that time...........or perhaps not!

But you should care because previous comments are a good indicator of future performance. Not a hard and fast rule I accept but a good indicator.

 

[simmo]

yep he said it and that was only 2 years ago. Maybe he's matured in that time...........or perhaps not!

But you should care because previous comments are a good indicator of future performance. Not a hard and fast rule I accept but a good indicator.

Well after a few minute search on the net. All I can find is that Daniel Hannon whom said that not Hunt.

BBC NEWS | UK | UK Politics | NHS attack by MEP 'unpatriotic'

 

[simmo]

Well after a few minute search on the net. All I can find is that Daniel Hannon whom said that not Hunt.

BBC NEWS | UK | UK Politics | NHS attack by MEP 'unpatriotic'

this would seem to back that up

Cameron faces calls to disown Hannan NHS 'mistake' criticism | Politics | guardian.co.uk

 

[Seagull58]

We're in deep deep shit being rules by right wing fascists who are hell bent on personal fortune, and it's not going to get any better while a worm is in opposition. Depressing times.

Hiarious post. Thanks for the laugh.

 

[Seagull58]

That is a top, top post!

I think you may have the number incorrect on the Eastern Europeans though!

Labour said there would be 15K Eastern European immiogrants in the first year. There were 300K! That's the point he was making.

 

[Seagull58]

Just a couple of thoughts, 1) Did the Tories not back the decision to do to war?, and 2) Hasn't the recession got worse in the last 2 years?

1. The Tories didn't know the dodgy dossier was made up shit from Campbell.
2. Maybe, maybe not. It's a double dip recession brilliantly initiated by the Brown/Balls fuckwit duo.

 

[Seagull58]

1) Whatever party was in power at the time would have taken us into that war as we have to kowtow to the Americans. Its up there with going to war in the Falklands in order to win a general election IMO.
2) The global financial meltdown led us into the deepest recession for 70 years. Only one party has led the country into a double dip recession though.

But as you say its just opinion. Does seem strange to put someone in charge of the NHS who thinks its been a 60 year mistake though, surely?

1. You don't know that about the Iraq war and it's a very poor optinion on the Falklands war.
2. The party that led us into the double dip recession was Labour. It is the Tories who are in charge during the second dip.
Whatever the merits of the NHS don't you think 100billion a year of taxpayers' money is rather a high price for it?