I hate the Tory Party (apart from Kenneth Clarke)

[Seagull58]

Ah the 'coalition' rearranging the deck chairs on the titanic.. good to see a party that doesn't represent the views of the public somehow work themselves into a position whereby they are even less representative of the nation.

Tossers. Rich, tax-doding, patronising, hypocritical tossers.

They represent the views of a larger percentage of the public than Labour do.

 

[Tubby Mondays]

1) What? We didn't kowtow to the USA with Vietnam, or Panama or Grenada. We didn't have to go to war based on a dossier of lies. And as for the Falklands analogy that is just pathetic, I along with others seem to remember Argentinian flags flying over Port Stanley, I don't seem to remember anything similar for the 2nd Gulf War.

2) Right so the reason we went into a recession was global financial meltdown, the reason we got back into is because purely of the Tories policies and nothing to do with the global situation ok. I guess the Euro crisis just doesn't count in your eyes when the Tories are in charge eh. but global affairs are the sole reason Labour got us into this mess in the first place. You can't really have that one both ways.

Did he say this? I have no idea whether Hunt has said that or not and don't really care. It is what he does that matters. Alistair Darling said a lot of radical things when he was younger, and Ken Livingstone too, it is what they did when they were in charge that makes me decide what I think of them.

You are right about the dossier of lies there was no need for that as the government of this country would have been expected to go to war in Iraq as part of the 'special relationship'. And it would have done whoever it was.

It would appear that it is you who is maybe trying to have it both ways.

According to you Labour caused the recession and not the global meltdown, that was just an excuse made up by Labour?

Yet the Euro crisis is to blame for the double dip recession and not the current economic policy that has demonstrably not worked, not just in this country, but in all other countries where it has been tried?

 

[Tubby Mondays]

They represent the views of a larger percentage of the public than Labour do.

Just about at the last election.

now two and half years in I wouldnt be so sure.

 

[loz]

This made me laugh..the trouble is it isnt far from the truth!!

New culture secretary, Maria Miller, who has also been handed the brief for women’s and equalities issues, has said she will work tirelessly to ensure equal rights for everyone who isn’t gay or looks a bit foreign.

Ms Miller, who has voted against a number of gay rights issues as well as voting to legitimise racial hatred and homophobia as ‘freedom of speech’, insisted that she was the perfect person to ensure fairness for all.

“I am committed to ensuring that everyone who is white, heterosexual and British receives equal treatment,” she said.

 

[Tubby Mondays]

Whatever the merits of the NHS don't you think 100billion a year of taxpayers' money is rather a high price for it?

No I dont.

 

[Tubby Mondays]

1. You don't know that about the Iraq war and it's a very poor optinion on the Falklands war.

Its an educated guess given that none of the other two main political parties said 'We shouldnt go to war'. It may be poor to you, but its mine and Im not the only one that has it.

 

[Tubby Mondays]

The party that led us into the double dip recession was Labour. It is the Tories who are in charge during the second dip

Were in government when the global financial meltdown caused the recession I think you mean.

Yes they certainly are in charge hence the cause of the second dip.

You were so nearly there.

 

[Seagull58]

Just about at the last election.

now two and half years in I wouldnt be so sure.

But you don't know one way or the other.

 

[ROSM]

Well after a few minute search on the net. All I can find is that Daniel Hannon whom said that not Hunt.

BBC NEWS | UK | UK Politics | NHS attack by MEP 'unpatriotic'

the book was co-authored by Hunt and Hannan. Nobody would let a book be published with them being listed as a co-author if it didnt reflect their views surely?

In any case what is beyond dispute is that Hunt said the NHS should be dismantled and that it was no longer relevant. Given his track record of dumping on his underlings then it should be an interesting time for those in his ministry.

 

[Mellor 3 Ward 4]

Labour said there would be 15K Eastern European immiogrants in the first year. There were 300K! That's the point he was making.

Yes - sorry - I misunderstood the reference to 15k

I think the actual number now is far higher than that.

I have no problem with the Eastern Europeans working here - hard workers etc...

BUT it does mean that there are FAR too many Brits sitting on their backsides collecting Benefits spouting out the 'I can't even get a minimum wage job, cos of the Poles etc...'

 

[simmo]

You are right about the dossier of lies there was no need for that as the government of this country would have been expected to go to war in Iraq as part of the 'special relationship'. And it would have done whoever it was.

It would appear that it is you who is maybe trying to have it both ways.

According to you Labour caused the recession and not the global meltdown, that was just an excuse made up by Labour?

Yet the Euro crisis is to blame for the double dip recession and not the current economic policy that has demonstrably not worked, not just in this country, but in all other countries where it has been tried?

So, it is just ok to brush under the carpet that Blair lied to parliament and the country. Is that illegal, to lie to parliament? And then those lies led directly to the death of around 200 British servicemen and thousands of Iraqi's? If that isn't the most disgraceful act of a British government in the last 50 years I would like to know what is.

My initial quote was that Labour led us into the deepest recession for 70 years. I think that is correct. The causes may be predominately global, I did not say that they weren't, but still it is a fact (well to me) that Labour were in charge when our economy went belly up.

 

[Seagull58]

No I dont.

Is there no figure that you think is too high a price? I think 100B is an astoundingly high and unaffordable figure, as proven by the inability of recent governments to balance the books. Even Brown's raid on people's pensions could not stem the upward flow of government debt. The taxpayers end up paying for the profligacy one way or another. I don't see why the NHS must be a holy grail that sucks up an unlimited amount of money, greater and greater every year. Sanity must prevail at some point in time.

 

[Seagull58]

Were in government when the global financial meltdown caused the recession I think you mean.

Yes they certainly are in charge hence the cause of the second dip.

You were so nearly there.

Oh yes of course. The recession was nothing to do with Labour but the double dip (if there is one) is the fault of the Tories. How blinkered you are.

 

[Seagull58]

Its an educated guess given that none of the other two main political parties said 'We shouldnt go to war'. It may be poor to you, but its mine and Im not the only one that has it.

If there are other people who also believe that we fought the Falklands War so that the Tories would win the next election they are as blinkered as you. It is a disgusting slur and you should be ashamed for spouting the rubbish.

 

[Tubby Mondays]

But you don't know one way or the other.

Well heres the results from a poll by You Gov for the Sunday Times: Mr Miliband's personal approval ratings at -23% next to Mr Cameron's -29%.

Meanwhile, Mr Cameron's personal ratings continue to freefall. Just 26% think he is a 'strong leader', while 40% say he is 'weak'. Those figures are a major shift on March surveys, when 37% said he was 'strong' and 30% said he was 'weak'.

New poll sees Miliband overtakes Cameron in popularity stakes

Hope that helps. Mind you that was May. It might have got worse by now.

 

[Tubby Mondays]

Is there no figure that you think is too high a price? I think 100B is an astoundingly high and unaffordable figure, as proven by the inability of recent governments to balance the books. Even Brown's raid on people's pensions could not stem the upward flow of government debt. The taxpayers end up paying for the profligacy one way or another. I don't see why the NHS must be a holy grail that sucks up an unlimited amount of money, greater and greater every year. Sanity must prevail at some point in time.

Well go and be ill in another country and see what the comparison is like.

 

[Tubby Mondays]

If there are other people who also believe that we fought the Falklands War so that the Tories would win the next election they are as blinkered as you. It is a disgusting slur and you should be ashamed for spouting the rubbish.

I take my hat off to the most open minded man in Britain.

Im not ashamed either.

 

[ROSM]

Oh yes of course. The recession was nothing to do with Labour but the double dip (if there is one) is the fault of the Tories. How blinkered you are.

I dont think he actually said that.

But nobody can deny that having spent 2 years saying the previous recession was the fault of labour that now when he are back in it and that the growth seen at the beginning of 2010 has been extinguished, the current incumbents cant then try and blame the eurozone without taking some responsibility themselves

 

[Tubby Mondays]

Oh yes of course. The recession was nothing to do with Labour but the double dip (if there is one) is the fault of the Tories. How blinkered you are.

You are surely being ironic with the constant jibes about blinkered?

Are you also doubting that there is a double dip recession?

 

[ROSM]

Is there no figure that you think is too high a price? I think 100B is an astoundingly high and unaffordable figure, as proven by the inability of recent governments to balance the books. Even Brown's raid on people's pensions could not stem the upward flow of government debt. The taxpayers end up paying for the profligacy one way or another. I don't see why the NHS must be a holy grail that sucks up an unlimited amount of money, greater and greater every year. Sanity must prevail at some point in time.

£1980 for every man woman and child is really not that bad when you think that on average, medical insurance in countries with no NHS costs c1200gbp plus a premium and has exclusions and excesses and means you can be treated at any hospital rather than the one your insurer would like you to go to.