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I hate the Tory Party (apart from Kenneth Clarke)
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ROSM
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There are many reasons to dislike the Tories. Which Uni they went to is not high on the list albeit what they did there might be (e.g. being part of Bullingdon when they were there would be a bit higher as that hardly fits the 'we're all in this together' mantra. Osborne was called Oik at Bullingdon because he only went to St Pauls (Britain's third most expensive public school) rather than Eton or Harrow.)
Gove being a former Murdoch journalist with suspect views on education and poor political strategy judgement (as seen by his willingness to meddle with exams which actually now damages his calls to replace them)
Jeremy Hunt who has suspect judgement as evidenced over Murdoch, threw his SPAD to the wolves, tried to get the NHS element removed from the Opening Ceremony, called the NHS a 60 year mistake etc and now becomes Health Secretary.
Charles Grayling who says its okay for a couple who run a Guest House to refuse a gay couple as customers (despite this being illegal) is now Justice Secretary.
A climate change critic is now environment minister
Someone with a fear of flying is transport minister (you really couldnt make this up - if this was from 'The Thick of It' nobody would believe you) and will be inputting to a major decision on the future of Britain's airport capacity.
It goes on and on.
In defence of Gove - he at least had a job previously, as has Boris. Osborne has failed at most things and Cameron (apart from a spell at Carlton where its fair to say he didnt ingratiate himself to his colleagues) has been part of the Conservative Strategy machine.
But the man who puts them in these positions, ignores the issues and displays such poor judgement. Witness his handling of IDS (who whatever your party, you cannot doubt his intentions) or Warsi who he rightly dumped then begs her to do something else, or Spellman who he apparently told was too old, or Gillan who he sacked whilst himself having a glass of red wine (didnt even offer her one) and so on.
Just how different things would be now if David Davis (another principled politician) had won the Tory leadership instead?
Gove being a former Murdoch journalist with suspect views on education and poor political strategy judgement (as seen by his willingness to meddle with exams which actually now damages his calls to replace them)
Jeremy Hunt who has suspect judgement as evidenced over Murdoch, threw his SPAD to the wolves, tried to get the NHS element removed from the Opening Ceremony, called the NHS a 60 year mistake etc and now becomes Health Secretary.
Charles Grayling who says its okay for a couple who run a Guest House to refuse a gay couple as customers (despite this being illegal) is now Justice Secretary.
A climate change critic is now environment minister
Someone with a fear of flying is transport minister (you really couldnt make this up - if this was from 'The Thick of It' nobody would believe you) and will be inputting to a major decision on the future of Britain's airport capacity.
It goes on and on.
In defence of Gove - he at least had a job previously, as has Boris. Osborne has failed at most things and Cameron (apart from a spell at Carlton where its fair to say he didnt ingratiate himself to his colleagues) has been part of the Conservative Strategy machine.
But the man who puts them in these positions, ignores the issues and displays such poor judgement. Witness his handling of IDS (who whatever your party, you cannot doubt his intentions) or Warsi who he rightly dumped then begs her to do something else, or Spellman who he apparently told was too old, or Gillan who he sacked whilst himself having a glass of red wine (didnt even offer her one) and so on.
Just how different things would be now if David Davis (another principled politician) had won the Tory leadership instead?
Pevenseagull
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- Jul 20, 2003
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Jeremy Hunt should NOT be health secretary. He is because of where and when he went to school. I am worried about how he actually effects my (and everyone elses, particularly those in worse health than me, those with children, the elderly etc. etc.) life and I am passing judgement on him and those who are responsible for him being in his current position.
Michael Gove should NOT be education secretary. He is because of where and when he went to school. I am not worried about he directly affects my life but I am very concerned that he is manipulating and asset stripping the education system for the gain of private companies ..... and he's effectively supporting the teaching of creationism . Therefore I am passing judgement on him.
Cameron was elected into his position (sort of) which is fair enough (sort of)
Johnson was elected into his position fair and square.
And you're right about the Lib Dems. Hypocritical lickspittles
Ok but this is just your opinion, it is not the opinion of the Prime Minister whom I believe is in a better position to judge than you.
From the jist of your argument, I think you (and or the OP) believe this is cronyism from Cameron (jobs for the boys etc), yet everything you land at Cameron's door, you can lay exactly at Tony Blair's. (Derry Irvine, Peter Mandelson the only minister I am aware of that had to resign twice).
Should Gordon Brown have offered Peter Mandelson a place in cabinet a third time after twice having to resign from similar positions? Should Blair have got Mandelson back after he resigned the first time?
Mellor 3 Ward 4
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Agree with most of that, however:
(1) David Davis - despite his upbringing seems even further to the right (esp. re Death Penalty) - he is cutting pushingfor much deeper spending cuts, (and tax cuts)
(2) IDS - Is he the one currently in charge of scrapping S2P?
ROSM
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That's my point. Despite both these people doing things that I dont necessarily agree with or support, I don't doubt that they actually believe and care about what they do rather than being career politicians who are faceless and spineless.
Slightly off topic but I notice that one commentator this week asked why could no-one spell Caroline Spelman's name correctly. It's good to see ROSM keeping up the tradition.
ROSM
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Fair point
In my defence, I had a teacher called Spellman (spelt correctly) so I have a blind spot for the name.
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Then don't vote for them. Only way of getting rid is through the ballot box
The nasty party are busy making themselves too unpopular to get in again, hopefully. They are too gleeful in their destruction, and I'm heartily fed up with hearing them respond to every criticism with "the last Government did x y and z." They can only try to deflect criticism by trying to make us believe the other fellows would be worse. If they are, then God help us all.
Tubby Mondays
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He may be in a better position to judge but that doesnt make him a better judge as these appointments show.
You are correct about Tony Blair also, but as the old saying goes two wrongs dont make a right. You mention two examples of people who shouldnt have been in the cabinet in 10 years as prime minister.
Cameron has made these appointments in one week!
- Jan 18, 2009
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Comparing the 3 major political parties and their politicans these days is like comparing 3 different dog turds............they might look and smell different but they are what they are.
And for all the ridiculousness of the coalition the Labour f***ed this country too, and not least the working class.
They had plenty of wankers in their cabinet and plenty of ridiculous policies that cost people, such as ID Cards, Iraq, not regulating the financial services industry, resticting personal freedoms, taxing pensions, encouraging personal debt, PFI, 10p tax rate, 15K eastern europeans, promising a referendum on Lisbon, tobacco sponsorship with mclaren, corruption of the peerage system.............et al.
The problem is politicians.............they are a class of their own, they are practically the new aristocracy. This one is representative...............and shames the political system but most of all the f***ing socialist Labour Party............working class, my arse.
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Again it is just an opinion and the OP slams Hunt as being fit to be Helath Minister even though he is been in the job 3/4 days. You can tell that the OP is just being prejudiced for the sake of it, he hasn't even given Hunt a chance in the portfolio yet he is going to be no good blah, blah etc. You and he have pre-judged before you have even given the bloke a chance to show what he can do.
Let me throw in Estelle Morris, Keith Vaz, Harriet Harman and Margaret Beckett (Foreign Secretary) as Labour appointed ministers of people whom should NOT have been appointed to the postitions that they were in.
I don't care what school/uni anyone in power has been too it is irrelevant, what matters to me is what they do when in power and to me what I think of Labour's 13 years in power is...1) took us to war based on a lie (dodgy dossier) the worst thing IMO any political party in power in the UK has ever done in my lifetime! And 2) led us into the deepest recession for 70 years. It is time they had a little spell in the wilderness, I think others feel the same way too.
- Jan 18, 2009
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You must hate Tony Blair and the Labour Party too then.
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Why the hatred of East Europeans, ever needed a plumber who is cheap and reliable?
I'm afraid I could never vote for Boris Johnson, a man on record calling black children "picaninnies"
Mellor 3 Ward 4
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That is a top, top post!
I think you may have the number incorrect on the Eastern Europeans though!
Pavilionaire
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- Jul 7, 2003
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The default position of installing your own kind in the top jobs is indicative of the lack of imagination and - dare I say it - risk-taking that is endemic in British politics.
I am as sick of Cameron's Posh Boys Cabinet as I was of Tony Blair's Islington set Cabinet. Tory and Labour are as bad as each other. When you get the same demographic throughout Cabinet they inevitably see things from a narrow perspective, and this perspective has just got narrower with the ousting of Ken Clark and Baroness Warzi.
I am as sick of Cameron's Posh Boys Cabinet as I was of Tony Blair's Islington set Cabinet. Tory and Labour are as bad as each other. When you get the same demographic throughout Cabinet they inevitably see things from a narrow perspective, and this perspective has just got narrower with the ousting of Ken Clark and Baroness Warzi.