How do you think Boris has handled it so far ?

[beorhthelm]

Daughter told me this morning that they are supposed to change masks after seeing every CV +ve patient, but they don’t have enough so only get a new one every hour.

if changing after every patient or hour, might explain shortages.

 

[Bozza]

if changing after every patient or hour, might explain shortages.

That and the fact that nearly every country in the world:

- didn’t have enough for a situation like this, so
- all of those countries are trying to buy 10s - 100s millions of these masks all at the same time.

 

[pastafarian]

That and the fact that nearly every country in the world:

- didn’t have enough for a situation like this, so
- all of those countries are trying to buy 10s - 100s millions of these masks all at the same time.

There was a medical bloke on the radio a couple of days ago explaining ( and i dont know how correctly i heard it as it was on in the background) that PPE and stuff like face masks have a shelf life for when then should be used from time of manufacture. This would sort of explain why countries dont stockpile incredible amounts of the stuff and now globally everyone is scrambling to get as much as they can not just the UK

EDIT. Might have just been masks, not sure. I was only half listening

 

[dazzer6666]

if changing after every patient or hour, might explain shortages.

Should be after every patient - if you have a ward of confirmed and suspected Covid19 patients without changing you'd simply be spreading from on to the next.............

 

[BLOCK F]

I thought it was bad in January when it showed no sign of slowing down the infection rate, I was told in no uncertain terms by one poster that ladders and Bee stings would cause more fatalities this year than Covid-19, someone else said they had caught a particularly bad 'flu bug years back and survived so this shouldn't be so bad. We SHOULD have had a good look at what was happening in China and tried to ramp up PPE and ventilator numbers if at all possible, however, the government did not want to spend early, they had to wait for the big Budget announcement.

Well, the bee stingers and ladder brigade were clearly wrong, but then again, no-one should take too much notice of many of the views expressed on NSC.
To be fair, this wretched virus has caught each and every country on the hop and all have been playing 'catchup' and I don't think it is fair to say that the Government waited for the big budget announcement before doing anything.
I can't recall, but I wonder what role the WHO played in the early days of the virus when it first appeared in China.Presumably they would be the ones to trumpet a serious warning to the rest of the world and demand a 'call to arms'.
In a perfect world, every country would be ready for every eventuality, but that isn't the case.
Let us get on with what we've got to do and all work together.
On a lighter note,I am old enough to remember the threat of nuclear war back in cold war times.........'shelter under the fu---ng kitchen table and kiss your arse goodbye', was about the sum total of advice available then. At least were not facing that!
P.S.I wonder how the Swedish approach will work out. Any guesses?

 

[ManOfSussex]

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[kevo]

The truth of the matter. This needs to be shared.

 

[aftershavedave]

Should be after every patient - if you have a ward of confirmed and suspected Covid19 patients without changing you'd simply be spreading from on to the next.............

indeed, so much for our pandemic master plan.....

 

[GT49er]

The measure of success for most utter twats in this thread, unfortunantely, will depend on which political party they normally vote for.

Really? The facts here on NSC would seem to disprove that. On this thread, 60% rate Boris' performance as good or better, 30% poor or worse. 2 to 1 in favour of what the PM is doing. Yet quite recently, on another thread, the weight of NSC opinion was 2 to 1 in favour of remaining in the EU - so presumably to that 60 odd percent in favour of remain would have regarded Boris as the next best thing to an Antichrist (just behind a certain Nigel, perhaps?).

2 to 1 against to 2 to 1 for is one hell of a shift - I'm sure there hasn't been a 50% switch of political allegiance, so must be some other reason. Perhaps 60% of us, regardless of political persuasion, just think he's doing OK?

 

[nicko31]

The truth of the matter. This needs to be shared.

South Korea followed the WHO to a tee, we did not, we dithered and for a while thought we knew better and could do our own thing.

Johnson wants to be Churchill, we shall see

 

[wellquickwoody]

The truth of the matter. This needs to be shared.

He may be right, he may be wrong, only time and opinion will tell. At either extremity of this crisis there will be deaths, at one end because of too little done to stop the virus spread, at the other because of mental health issues caused by isolation, loss of employment, financial issues etc etc. Medical people will put immediate health issues above all else without looking at what price may be paid (in health terms) if an economy collapses. But he certainly enjoys his moment in his own phone camera!

 

[Seagull27]

Really? The facts here on NSC would seem to disprove that. On this thread, 60% rate Boris' performance as good or better, 30% poor or worse. 2 to 1 in favour of what the PM is doing. Yet quite recently, on another thread, the weight of NSC opinion was 2 to 1 in favour of remaining in the EU - so presumably to that 60 odd percent in favour of remain would have regarded Boris as the next best thing to an Antichrist (just behind a certain Nigel, perhaps?).

2 to 1 against to 2 to 1 for is one hell of a shift - I'm sure there hasn't been a 50% switch of political allegiance, so must be some other reason. Perhaps 60% of us, regardless of political persuasion, just think he's doing OK?

Agree. If you'd asked me a month ago, I would've said I can't stand Boris, I think he's a dangerous pathological liar with only his own interests in mind. I was mortified when he became prime minister and even more so after the election.

But he's handled this situation as well as any PM could - he's listened to the scientific experts and enacted their advice. Whether that advice turns out to be correct or not should not be blamed on him.

And I don't think anyone could argue with the measures him and Sunak have brought in to support the population, they're far more generous than a lot of countries and have been introduced as quickly as reasonably possible (I know there have been delays in announcing measures for self-employed, and in actually getting the money offered - but I can only imagine how complicated this must be in such an unprecedented situation and actually to turn it around at the speed they have is impressive).

It's not enough to make me want to vote for Boris in the future, he's got a long way to go for that. But I've gained some respect for him where previously I had none.

 

[Mr Banana]

Agree. If you'd asked me a month ago, I would've said I can't stand Boris, I think he's a dangerous pathological liar with only his own interests in mind. I was mortified when he became prime minister and even more so after the election.

But he's handled this situation as well as any PM could - he's listened to the scientific experts and enacted their advice. Whether that advice turns out to be correct or not should not be blamed on him.

And I don't think anyone could argue with the measures him and Sunak have brought in to support the population, they're far more generous than a lot of countries and have been introduced as quickly as reasonably possible (I know there have been delays in announcing measures for self-employed, and in actually getting the money offered - but I can only imagine how complicated this must be in such an unprecedented situation and actually to turn it around at the speed they have is impressive).

It's not enough to make me want to vote for Boris in the future, he's got a long way to go for that. But I've gained some respect for him where previously I had none.

Apart from the complete lack of foresight and preparation, decade-plus of extreme cuts, failure to listen to scientists and lack of support for anything beyond a desperation to maintain the socio-economic backdrop that led us to this situation, they're doing great.

 

[Seagull27]

Apart from the complete lack of foresight and preparation, decade-plus of extreme cuts, failure to listen to scientists and lack of support for anything beyond a desperation to maintain the socio-economic backdrop that led us to this situation, they're doing great.

Well yes I agree with you on the decade of extreme cuts, I was referring to the last couple of months.

Though I don't think there is a single government that would have been prepared for this sufficiently to be honest.

 

[Mr Banana]

They are shambolic. Had they done a moment's more planning, they couldn't have produced this level of sabotage.

 

[kevo]

This is shocking. They are lying to us.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...o-buy-covid-19-medical-supplies-say-officials

 

[CHAPPERS]

Can't be seen to benefit from EU membership now can we.

 

[beorhthelm]

They are shambolic. Had they done a moment's more planning, they couldn't have produced this level of sabotage.

and who are supposed to be planning and making contingencies for events that may occur?

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

and who are supposed to be planning and making contingencies for events that may occur?

Think poster means the government.

 

[GT49er]

Well yes I agree with you on the decade of extreme cuts, I was referring to the last couple of months.

Though I don't think there is a single government that would have been prepared for this sufficiently to be honest.

Exactly. There's some though that won't ever give it up - as shown on here. I suspect that, as on the Brexit thread, the 2 to 1 split will remain to the end, with no-one switching from their entrenched position (which to some extent makes discussion pointless).
When this is all over, and grandparents have been reunited with their children and grandchildren and the dead have been buried, there will still be voices crying out, "Yes, but we got through it in spite of Boris!"