How did Gammon and Eggs play?

[London Irish]

There are better forwards playing non league football in the south east who would jump at the chance to play for a league side.

OK, let's for the sake of moving on this argument say that you're right about Big Mac's abilities.

This begs the question - do you have any theories why a fine manager like McGhee (I think you agree he is a fine manager) gets it so badly wrong with McCammon given that he has seen a lot of the player?

If his faults are so glaring, why does McGhee stick with him?

 

[Brighton Breezy]

I have no idea London Irish.

Certain managers do just have a habit of sticking with players they know. Maybe they see something in them and hope one day that they can bring it out of them.

Who knows.

It does not mean McGhee is right about him though.

Also, we are told we cannot afford a decent striker BUT Danny Cullip was offered what the club described as a 'great deal' to stay so the money IS there to sign someone on a similar contract.

 

[Spiros]

Richie - in case you hadn't noticed most teams in this league have at least one 'McMammon-esque' player in their team these days, because any player who fulfils all of your criteria ends up at a premiership club, albeit as back-up to the main strikers. How else have players like Rob Earnshaw and Brett Ormerod ended up at Prem clubs?

Because of the crap surroundings and the lack of money in the bank we are limited in what we can get in what is a seller's market

 

[Uncle Buck]

OK, let's for the sake of moving on this argument say that you're right about Big Mac's abilities.

Do you actually think he is a good player? I agree that at Brammal Lane he can on and unsettled their defence, meaning that they pushed deeper back and in the end Leon scored. However on Saturday he was not all that effective and we looked a better unit with Virgo up front. Certainly as a starter he looks poor. Maybe he has a role as a sub for the moment.

 

[El Presidente]

I have no idea London Irish.

Certain managers do just have a habit of sticking with players they know. Maybe they see something in them and hope one day that they can bring it out of them.

Who knows.

It does not mean McGhee is right about him though.

Also, we are told we cannot afford a decent striker BUT Danny Cullip was offered what the club described as a 'great deal' to stay so the money IS there to sign someone on a similar contract.

Every manager gets it wrong on occasions Richie, but provided that McGhee gets more right than wrong we should back him. Wenger signed Frannie Jeffers, Pascal Cygan and a few other Carlos Kickaballs that never even surfaced, but that does not mean that Arsenal fans give him a lot of grief.

Best run at this level for 20 years and you are whining about one signing of a not very good player, on equally not very good wages. Get over it, there are more important things to focus on, such as the Falmer Enquiry

 

[Brighton Breezy]

There are a lot of players who have been released on frees. There were three in one week who would all have done better then McCammon.

There will be more players released.

To sign him permanently in the summer would be a folly.

As I said, there are better players playing non league football then McCammon.

 

[Uncle Buck]

Richie - in case you hadn't noticed most teams in this league have at least one 'McMammon-esque' player in their team these days, because any player who fulfils all of your criteria ends up at a premiership club, albeit as back-up to the main strikers. How else have players like Rob Earnshaw and Brett Ormerod ended up at Prem clubs?

Because of the crap surroundings and the lack of money in the bank we are limited in what we can get in what is a seller's market

Harsh on Earnshaw. He looks like one of the few at the Baggies who knows what he is doing.

 

[Brighton Breezy]

Every manager gets it wrong on occasions Richie, but provided that McGhee gets more right than wrong we should back him. Wenger signed Frannie Jeffers, Pascal Cygan and a few other Carlos Kickaballs that never even surfaced

I made that very point earlier when saying that we should not blindly assume McGhee is right about McCammon.

Best run at this level for 20 years and you are whining about one signing of a not very good player, on equally not very good wages. Get over it, there are more important things to focus on, such as the Falmer Enquiry

I am not whining and moaning. I am saying that McCammon is shit.

I have repeatedly said that McGhee is a great manager. I am enjoying us doing well and I always get behind the team at games and never abuse our own players.

BUT

Just because we are doing well does not mean we are not allowed to say one of our players is shit.

To pay McCammon anything is a waste of money that could be put to better use elsewhere.

 

[London Irish]

However on Saturday he was not all that effective and we looked a better unit with Virgo up front. Certainly as a starter he looks poor. Maybe he has a role as a sub for the moment.

Not being funny, but do you make any allowance for the fact that McGhee says he's not match fit yet?

I think he's shown in glimpses what he can do, his heading ability was vital in our victory over the Gills, he is better with the ball at his feet than Big Chris, as Mac showed when he did that nice dribble past the Leeds defender in the first half. But for me the poor cross showed a player struggling to keep up with the pace of the game, so McGhee was right to get fresh legs on.

I'm just appealing for people to judge Big Mac once McGhee has had a bit of time with him. I think it's unfair for people to be writing him off when he hasn't even become our player yet and undergone our full training programmes.

 

[Brighton Breezy]

I'm just appealing for people to judge Big Mac once McGhee has had a bit of time with him. I think it's unfair for people to be writing him off when he hasn't even become our player yet and undergone our full training programmes.

What like when he played for him at Millwall?

 

[Parson Henry]

The irony of seeing this thread shoulder to shoulder with the Guy Butters we love you thread hits me right between the eyes.

Give the man a chance won't you.

 

[Uncle Buck]

Not being funny, but do you make any allowance for the fact that McGhee says he's not match fit yet?

I think he's shown in glimpses what he can do, his heading ability was vital in our victory over the Gills, he is better with the ball at his feet than Big Chris, as Mac showed when he did that nice dribble past the Leeds defender in the first half. But for me the poor cross showed a player struggling to keep up with the pace of the game, so McGhee was right to get fresh legs on.

I'm just appealing for people to judge Big Mac once McGhee has had a bit of time with him. I think it's unfair for people to be writing him off when he hasn't even become our player yet and undergone our full training programmes.

But by the end of his loan spell he must have been fit, if you cannot get match fit with the number of games over Christmas, then you never will and other than the 15 minutes at Brammal Lane, there was very little to suggest he had all that much to offer. Also he seems to have the weakest shot I have ever seen in a forward.

 

[Brighton Breezy]

Also he seems to have the weakest shot I have ever seen in a forward.

Like the examples I posted earlier when against Watford he was just outside the six yaurd box and shot with his left foot along the icy surface and the ball STILL did not make it as far as the goal.


Even bloody Akinbiyi scored from the same position.

 

[London Irish]

But by the end of his loan spell he must have been fit

Well, certainly fitter than he was on Saturday, but I don't know, and I'm venturing you don't know either, whether he got fully match fit, the only quote I've seen from McGhee is that he was well short of match fitness when he arrived and that he worked hard to improve it while he was here.

 

[Brighton Breezy]

If he was not fully match fit then he should not be playing.

Stick him in the reserves and get him match fit and perhaps play Molango or Robinson or Hart while McCammon gets fit.

 

[London Irish]

What like when he played for him at Millwall?

Precisely, McGhee was happy with him at Millwall. But yes, I do remember that your mate with the funny name wasn't.

 

[Uncle Buck]

Well, certainly fitter than he was on Saturday, but I don't know, and I'm venturing you don't know either, whether he got fully match fit, the only quote I've seen from McGhee is that he was well short of match fitness when he arrived and that he worked hard to improve it while he was here.

I do not know, but I would think most footballers would be match fit by the end of the Christmas period, just due to the fact that you play 4 games in under ten days.

 

[Brighton Breezy]

Precisely, McGhee was happy with him at Millwall. But yes, I do remember that your mate with the funny name wasn't.

What Thomas?

He was not theonly Millwall fan who did not rate him.

If McGhee was happy with him then it begs the question as to why he did not play or score more.

 

[London Irish]

I do not know, but I would think most footballers would be match fit by the end of the Christmas period, just due to the fact that you play 4 games in under ten days.

Well, you have the advantage on me there. Not having played professional football, I'd just be guessing.

 

[London Irish]

If McGhee was happy with him then it begs the question as to why he did not play or score more.

Errr....the serious injury he suffered might have had a bearing on that, d'ye reckon? McGhee was long gone to us by the time Big Mac recovered.