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How are You Going to LISTEN To The Commentary Now Hart and Hawesy Have Been SUSPENDED
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maffew
Well-known member
well considering you were sick of the whole thing you seem to be starting a lot of threads about it
(well at least 2 new ones)
I'm confused:
On Tuesday night in the after-match phone in HB&B claimed that if we think anyone outside NSC cares what is said on here, then we're living in la-la land (or words to that effect through the heavy breathing) and JB agreed.
Now, we are told that one thread on NSC seems to have been enough to get two BBC employees suspended.
Which is it? It's can't be both can it.
On Tuesday night in the after-match phone in HB&B claimed that if we think anyone outside NSC cares what is said on here, then we're living in la-la land (or words to that effect through the heavy breathing) and JB agreed.
Now, we are told that one thread on NSC seems to have been enough to get two BBC employees suspended.
Which is it? It's can't be both can it.
Kylies Stunt Arse
What?
The bit in bold is bollocks Mark and you know it. He faces the sack for saying something offensive live on air. It's not "PC gone mad" it was a stupid thing to say, and not the first stupid thing he's said. If people complained because they were genuinely offended then that's fair enough. If people complained because of any other agenda, or because of the reaction from certain posters here, then that's sad, but either way the BBC HAVE to follow up these complaints and take them seriously.
We all know what part he played in the survival of BHAFC and how much the club means to him, that does not excuse him because he couldn't engage his brain in time live on air. It's not like he's inexperienced is it?
Kylies Stunt Arse
What?
It can if people read the thread here then complained directly to the BBC.
Albion Rob
New member
Some interesting points here so I think I'll throw my hat into the ring.
First and foremost, I don't accept the suggestion there will be no commentary tomorrow. Surely they would draft someone in from another region or get in whoever does the Surrey opt-out coverage. Failing that it could be the big promotion for one of the bods who cover the Eastbourne, Crawley and Lewes games. I'd imagine 3-5pm on a Saturday is one of their biggest pulls. They're not going to let that drop.
Now, as for the suspensions. Sorry to go against the grain but I think the BBC has got it right. First and foremost, I think Harty is a legend. I don't need to repeat all the things he has done for the club and , of course, he produced what I (maybe biasedly) regard as the finest fanzine in football history. And in that fanzine, it was his right to speak to and about people however he wanted.
Working for the BBC is a different kettle of fish. He is working for a public service broadcaster and to that extent has to remain professional. If we're going to let it go, should we let Huw Edwards refer to Zimbabwean farmers attacking farms as "Niggers on the rampage"? Should we start referring to "paki shiops"? Why didn't Harty just go the whole hog and refer to people as "spastics" rather than just window lickers. I'm sorry but that's the way it is. Yes, it probably was a slip of the tongue made in anger and frustration but it still shouldn't have happened.And I have no idea what Hawesy was doing repeating it. Maybe he was a bit fazed but he should definitely have known that it was not acceptable. Say it in the pub, email it to your mates but don't say it live on the radio. It's pretty simple really.
However, the punishment should fit the crime and hopefully the BBC will see sense and a severe reprimand will be dished out and they'll be back on the air soon. Assuming it was an unfortunate, embarrassing slip of the tongue. It shouldn't have happened but it certainly wasn't part of a vitriolic diatribe. Hopefully both will be able to consider that and just be a little bit more careful next time. What people think and how they choose to label disabled people, ethnic minorities and the like is up to them but I don't think the BBC is really the place it should be coming out. Accidental or not.
First and foremost, I don't accept the suggestion there will be no commentary tomorrow. Surely they would draft someone in from another region or get in whoever does the Surrey opt-out coverage. Failing that it could be the big promotion for one of the bods who cover the Eastbourne, Crawley and Lewes games. I'd imagine 3-5pm on a Saturday is one of their biggest pulls. They're not going to let that drop.
Now, as for the suspensions. Sorry to go against the grain but I think the BBC has got it right. First and foremost, I think Harty is a legend. I don't need to repeat all the things he has done for the club and , of course, he produced what I (maybe biasedly) regard as the finest fanzine in football history. And in that fanzine, it was his right to speak to and about people however he wanted.
Working for the BBC is a different kettle of fish. He is working for a public service broadcaster and to that extent has to remain professional. If we're going to let it go, should we let Huw Edwards refer to Zimbabwean farmers attacking farms as "Niggers on the rampage"? Should we start referring to "paki shiops"? Why didn't Harty just go the whole hog and refer to people as "spastics" rather than just window lickers. I'm sorry but that's the way it is. Yes, it probably was a slip of the tongue made in anger and frustration but it still shouldn't have happened.And I have no idea what Hawesy was doing repeating it. Maybe he was a bit fazed but he should definitely have known that it was not acceptable. Say it in the pub, email it to your mates but don't say it live on the radio. It's pretty simple really.
However, the punishment should fit the crime and hopefully the BBC will see sense and a severe reprimand will be dished out and they'll be back on the air soon. Assuming it was an unfortunate, embarrassing slip of the tongue. It shouldn't have happened but it certainly wasn't part of a vitriolic diatribe. Hopefully both will be able to consider that and just be a little bit more careful next time. What people think and how they choose to label disabled people, ethnic minorities and the like is up to them but I don't think the BBC is really the place it should be coming out. Accidental or not.
SULLY COULDNT SHOOT
Loyal2Family+Albion!
Thanks everyone for providing the source. I heard the comment at the time and thought 'oops' but when the apology was made I thought that was fine by me. Of course, it can't be fine for the BBC and shouldn't be so. The BBC has a reputation that it has to uphold. This is not political correctness gone mad, just common sense. Therefore I think an enquiry is needed just to prove that the BBC takes this seriously. They have no option. However, the BBC shoudl accept the apology in good grace and re-instate them at the earliest opportunity on the understanding that they shouldn't let this happen again. Did they need to be suspended pending this enquiry? On a blatantly biased level I think not.
But I'm biased.... bring back Hawes and Harty!
p.s. this is not an excuse for Seagulsl World or the BBC to shirk their responsibility to paying listeners. I expect there to be a commentary tomorrow.
But I'm biased.... bring back Hawes and Harty!
p.s. this is not an excuse for Seagulsl World or the BBC to shirk their responsibility to paying listeners. I expect there to be a commentary tomorrow.
maffew
Well-known member
totally fine. just it seems to me your threads on it are designed to provoke a reaction hence the whole thing snowballing, I actually think you'd be quite good hosting the show
He was the one that ACTUALLY said 'Window Licker'.
Lord Bracknell
On fire
Presumably the Seagulls World commentary can be secured from the same source that Leeds United will be using to deliver their on-line commentary?
The BBC might choose to give us commentary on Mr Keehan's mighty Rooks going down to a last minute goal scored by Forest Green Rovers.
The BBC might choose to give us commentary on Mr Keehan's mighty Rooks going down to a last minute goal scored by Forest Green Rovers.
Brighton Breezy
New member
How on earth can you 'guess' that?
It was an offensive comment and bound to have attracted complaints regardless of whether or not he said sorry.
The reaction on NSC will have had nothing whatsoever to do with this decision. It will have been made in line with BBC policy and / or complaints made to the station.
Anyone on here suggesting it was a result of NSC really does need to take a trip to the real world.
NSC is a decent messageboard but not the influence people seem to think it is.
I doubt it, if Ken Bates has anything to do with it.
countrygull
Active member
Good sensible post. A reprimand, slap on the wrists, think before you speak warning - and let's get back on the ball.
Hawsey is too good a commentator to be working on provincial football programmes, I am suprised he hasn't been poached by bigger fish tbh.
Anyone who's had the misfortune to have to listen to the opposition commentaries when the SCR link is down will know what I mean
My thoughts exactly. He should be on national radio. (Though he may not now be offered the presenter's job on Does He Take Sugar?)
maffew
Well-known member
Brighton Breezy
New member
Also, the simple fact is had the comment not been made nobody could have complained about anything.