Wrong-Direction
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- Mar 10, 2013
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Well it hasn't taken long for the shit to hit the fan has it
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Well it hasn't taken long for the shit to hit the fan has it
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NOTHING will happen as this has been going on for years and, er, NOTHING has happened. It does not help when so many of our fans do not see the harm in it and almost seem to enjoy it, very odd. It is wrong on every level and we have had this debate hundreds of times but it seems to me no one in authority seems to think it is a serious issue and will continue to do the square root of sod all to stop it
My best mate is gay. He likes d*ck. Quite frankly, I don't care what he likes as he's my best mate. But I know how he feels when he hears homophobic chanting at a match and it appalls me that the police let sections of every supporter group get away with it.
So I stand by my original statement. Homophobic chanting, which is a criminal offence, should be treated as such and arrests should happen. That the police are too scared to do so is a damning indictment of our society and the lack of real progress we've made. This isn't faux outrage - such things have incredibly detrimental effects on many people that are affected by them and the law should be strong enough to stand up to the bullies and cowards that sing such songs (and yes, there are Brighton fans that do such things, to my disgust).
Every time this subject gets discussed, there are thick ones who invariably quote We can see you holding hands.
Try being a little more original and discuss the problem sensibly.
They're not too sensitive, you're just a bit clueless about what being racist and homophobic is. I'm not sure you can see the difference between jokes like 'sheep shaggers' and homophobia.
Prosecuting people will make it stop. Thankfully we don't really have racist chanting here any more, and that has made a difference to people's lives.
Who is arguing that that is homophobic? I'm quite interested to hear that argument, because I can't see it. It seems to be saying that gay people take pride in their appearance and look good. How the hell is that homophobic?
When you say 'give it large', you must mean being racist or homophobic or something, right? Surely you don't just mean legal chanting?
They're not too sensitive, you're just a bit clueless about what being racist and homophobic is. I'm not sure you can see the difference between jokes like 'sheep shaggers' and homophobia.
Hang on. Why do you think the 'too ugly to be gay' chant is ignorant ? I see it as Brighton fans being supportive of and aligning ourselves with gay fans over ignorant bigots.
So it's fine to insinuate someone engages in beastiality. That's just a joke. But chanting insinuating someone is gay because they are from Brighton is beyond the pale? I would suggest that you might want to rethink you're boundaries on offensive chanting. If someone suggested I was gay, I wouldn't have an issue. If someone suggested I had intercourse with woolly animals, i'd have more of an issue.
My best mate is gay. He likes d*ck. Quite frankly, I don't care what he likes as he's my best mate. But I know how he feels when he hears homophobic chanting at a match and it appalls me that the police let sections of every supporter group get away with it.
So I stand by my original statement. Homophobic chanting, which is a criminal offence, should be treated as such and arrests should happen. That the police are too scared to do so is a damning indictment of our society and the lack of real progress we've made. This isn't faux outrage - such things have incredibly detrimental effects on many people that are affected by them and the law should be strong enough to stand up to the bullies and cowards that sing such songs (and yes, there are Brighton fans that do such things, to my disgust).
What's your (favoured) position with animals that are not woolly?
My view is that animals are for eating not ****ing. As for position, i'm happy at the dining table, on the sofa or occasionally on bed if the mood takes me
OK TB but the reference was in the context of police inaction, shameful as it may be......however there are plenty of other examples of police inaction. I highlighted two, and are they worse examples of police inaction or not? Be honest?
Perspective is very important in these debates.......where do we want police priority time (or should I say taxpayers money) spent.......if this is a serious crime that we want the police to purse vigorously then there is a quid pro quo.
It seems to me the Police are dealing with lots of issues and threats, where does homophobic chanting at football matches fit in their hierarchy of priorities?
Not a lot it seems. General meaningless abuse is fine. Racism isn't, homophobia isn't. Do you accept that it's not ok to chant racist abuse at football matches? If so, why can't you see that chanting homophobic abuse is also wrong?i am fully aware of the dynamics of racism and homophobia , i just don't think that chanting at a football match equates to homophobia........large crowds of opposing fans drenched in lager hurling abuse at each other has been part and parcel of a saturday afternoons entertainment for the last 60 years , but what would i know .
If people are taken out of the crowd and excluded from attending, then people will stop doing it.the bigger bite they get out of the offendee the more they are gonna do it , particularly at the football.
You have no idea what the issue is. I will try and explain:So it's fine to insinuate someone engages in beastiality. That's just a joke. But chanting insinuating someone is gay because they are from Brighton is beyond the pale? I would suggest that you might want to rethink you're boundaries on offensive chanting. If someone suggested I was gay, I wouldn't have an issue. If someone suggested I had intercourse with woolly animals, i'd have more of an issue.
To be honest, I think you hit the nail on the head very early in this thread. It's an issue that you take personally due, and I'm guessing, to your own situation or that of those close to you.Not a lot it seems. General meaningless abuse is fine. Racism isn't, homophobia isn't. Do you accept that it's not ok to chant racist abuse at football matches? If so, why can't you see that chanting homophobic abuse is also wrong?
If people are taken out of the crowd and excluded from attending, then people will stop doing it.
You have no idea what the issue is. I will try and explain:
1) Yes, suggesting the opposition's fans are into bestiality is a joke. We know they're not. They know they're not. Everyone knows they're not. It's not a serious accusation.
2) Are you seriously saying you'd be upset if the opposition sang that about us? Really? I certainly wouldn't, I can't see why anyone would.
3) When the opposing fans suggest we're gay, as if that's a bad thing:
a) I'm not personally upset (just as you're not) because I'm not gay, and I don't see being gay as a negative thing anyway, but...
b) Some gay people will find it offensive that lots of people are chanting against homosexuality as if it's bad. Particularly, IMO, people who are just coming to terms with their sexuality themselves. Imagine you were an 18 year old and you've realised that you're attracted to men, not women - but you've not told your friends yet, as you don't know how they'll react - and there you are with your friends, away to Brighton, and your friends are singing anti gay songs. Can you appreciate that many people in that position would feel really shit?
As Comedy Steve put it, you can't compare gay relationships with bestiality. One is a loving relationship between consenting adults, and the other is animal rape.
Actually homophobia isn't something that impacts on my family or those closest to me (ableism is), but I'm confident that I understand it and I do care about the issue, just as I do about racism too.To be honest, I think you hit the nail on the head very early in this thread. It's an issue that you take personally due, and I'm guessing, to your own situation or that of those close to you.
I think perhaps you just haven't realised how much it can affect people, but if you did maybe you'd care more. I think most of us decent Brightonians who aren't directly affected by racism still do care about the issue, because while we're not affected, we do understand it and we can easily imagine how crap it is for people from an ethnic minority to face abuse.In my experience, an issue that someone feels so strongly about because they are personally affected, often fails to strike the same chord with other not directly affected.
You're call of course, but I appreciate you listening to someone else's perspective.Due to that, I shall bow out of this thread.
I'm more optimistic - I think with comments like that from the Leicester fan, us educating people a bit more, and the authorities taking action when appropriate, it will stop. The racist abuse from fans in this country used to be horrendous (people threw bananas FFS, great banter), but that just wouldn't happen now. If someone started singing a racist song it would be so weird, and they'd be out pretty quick. I'd like to see homophobia treated with the same disdain.I don't wish to see anyone attending Albion games home or away, subjected to behaviour that leaves them feeling uncomfortable or targeted but unfortunately there will always be a minority of idiots.
I would suggest that it isn't that the police are scared, more that it's difficult to work out who's actually chanting. If you had 200 people in a block chanting homophobic chants, you'd need a lot of police to arrest them!
Perhaps the clubs identifying people chanting and banning them from the ground might be a better way to go.
My view is that animals are for eating not ****ing. As for position, i'm happy at the dining table, on the sofa or occasionally on bed if the mood takes me
They'd probably rather be ****ed.