Homophobic Derby Fans banned

[Danny-Boy]

if they chanted ' we can see you holding hands'- does that mean we cant reply ' you are too ugly to be gay' ?


Both men were ordered to pay £50 costs and a £20 victim surcharge.

Who to? The Dirk Bogarde Memorial Fund?

 

[Hyperion]

I

you're talking shit yourself
regards
DR

Wow. Such guile

 

[fataddick]

i'm not complaining though, i'm just putting an alternative edge on things, STICK AND STONES WILL BREAK MY BONES BUT NAMES WILL NEVER HURT ME ,that's how i was brought up
regards
DR

You're scared of sticks and stones? What sort of revisionist Danny Dyer parody are you? I'm disappointed, frankly.

 

[John Byrnes Mullet]

I was very offended by Albion fans chanting to a Millwall player you fat Bas%$ard. I have a thyroid condition which
means I am very overweight and I was also born without a Father. So I will be making a complaint if hear this chant again.

 

[Creaky]

I was very offended by Albion fans chanting to a Millwall player you fat Bas%$ard. I have a thyroid condition which
means I am very overweight and I was also born without a Father. So I will be making a complaint if hear this chant again.

And there lies one of the two differences between such a chant and the homophobic chants which are the subject of this thread - it was aimed at the player not the fans.

The second and more important difference is that it has not been democratically decided that uttering phrases such as "fat Bas%$ard" in public should be a criminal offence - if you feel strongly enough that it should be then you need to campaign for a change in the law.

 

[cunning fergus]

And there lies one of the two differences between such a chant and the homophobic chants which are the subject of this thread - it was aimed at the player not the fans.

The second and more important difference is that it has not been democratically decided that uttering phrases such as "fat Bas%$ard" in public should be a criminal offence - if you feel strongly enough that it should be then you need to campaign for a change in the law.

Couple of questions?

What's the difference between offensive chants aimed at players and fans.

When was it democratically decided that homophobia is a criminal offence?

 

[Creaky]

Couple of questions?

What's the difference between offensive chants aimed at players and fans.

When was it democratically decided that homophobia is a criminal offence?

The difference between a chant aimed at a player and one aimed at fans is that in the situation described a report by a fan that they were personally offended bears little weight.

It was democratically decided that homophobic actions and speech made in public are a criminal offence when democratically elected representatives in Parliament passed into law The Criminal Justice and Immigration Bill that contains a clause creating the offence of incitement to hatred on the grounds of sexual orientation.

 

[yxee]

I was very offended by Albion fans chanting to a Millwall player you fat Bas%$ard. I have a thyroid condition which
means I am very overweight and I was also born without a Father. So I will be making a complaint if hear this chant again.

God help you if your parents weren't married when you were born.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

thanks for your kind words Sir ,trust me there's plenty more in the ground with my views
regards
DR

"in the ground" being pretty apt given most with such archaic views died years ago !

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

"in the ground" being pretty apt given most with such archaic views died years ago !

you need to widen your circle of life
regards
DR

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

You're scared of sticks and stones? What sort of revisionist Danny Dyer parody are you? I'm disappointed, frankly.

MY ARMS ARE LIKE SHIELDS OF STEEL , NO ONE CAN HARM ME
regards
DR

 

[Westdene Seagull]

you need to widen your circle of life
regards
DR

Saw the Lion King thanks - it was sh*t

 

[cunning fergus]

The difference between a chant aimed at a player and one aimed at fans is that in the situation described a report by a fan that they were personally offended bears little weight.

It was democratically decided that homophobic actions and speech made in public are a criminal offence when democratically elected representatives in Parliament passed into law The Criminal Justice and Immigration Bill that contains a clause creating the offence of incitement to hatred on the grounds of sexual orientation.

Not sure I get the difference, I don't know the facts of this case are but why would a fan reporting being personally offended by a chant have less weight than if the same complaint was made by a player?

Thanks for clearing up the last point, I know our democratically elected representatives only ever pass into statute laws that will benefit society and they should never be challenged because after all, they are democratically elected.

It always surprises me that some people don't understand that principle..................life is so much simpler when you do isn't it?

 

[Czechmate]

Think this thread has gone on long enough , and I am adding . I could not give a damn what people shout at me , let them , I will give it back . It was many times worse in the 70's and 80's , did me no harm even as a kid .

My opinion , no one will change it

 

[Creaky]

Not sure I get the difference, I don't know the facts of this case are but why would a fan reporting being personally offended by a chant have less weight than if the same complaint was made by a player?

Thanks for clearing up the last point, I know our democratically elected representatives only ever pass into statute laws that will benefit society and they should never be challenged because after all, they are democratically elected.

It always surprises me that some people don't understand that principle..................life is so much simpler when you do isn't it?

Who ever suggested that all laws passed in a democracy benefit society

One of the benefits of a democratic society is that all laws can be challenged, on an individual basis through the judiciary and on a group basis through elections.

For democracy to work though then the laws of that democracy need to be followed whilst they are in force.

 

[Creaky]

Think this thread has gone on long enough , and I am adding . I could not give a damn what people shout at me , let them , I will give it back . It was many times worse in the 70's and 80's , did me no harm even as a kid .

My opinion , no one will change it

You have accepted that things have changed since the '70s

So what basis have you to claim that the current culture won't change in the future?

 

[Czechmate]

You have accepted that things have changed since the '70s

So what basis have you to claim that the current culture won't change in the future?

I did not say it won't change in the future Creaky , just my opinion won't change about what people chant at me , I could not care less what they shout . I think it will change in the future , just hope it won't get so sterile that you can't sing anything . When will it be illegal to call somebody bald or fat , when will it be illegal to swear at football matches , when will it be illegal to call a player crap ? Just hope the authorities don't ruin football , perhaps we should all dress in cotton wool before we go to a game then they may be happy .

 

[Thunder Bolt]

I did not say it won't change in the future Creaky , just my opinion won't change about what people chant at me , I could not care less what they shout . I think it will change in the future , just hope it won't get so sterile that you can't sing anything . When will it be illegal to call somebody bald or fat , when will it be illegal to swear at football matches , when will it be illegal to call a player crap ? Just hope the authorities don't ruin football , perhaps we should all dress in cotton wool before we go to a game then they may be happy .

This case had nothing to do with chants.

 

[Goldstone_groover]

surely fans chanting 'homophobic' comments to [ i presume] mostly straight blokes is an empty insult and therefore meaningless..

So are you saying that any insult is meaningless if not technically true? I would very much deny that I am a effing c but because I am not doesnt mean I find it inoffensive to be called one.( cue the predictable response)

 

[Lord Bracknell]

Couple of questions?

What's the difference between offensive chants aimed at players and fans.

When was it democratically decided that homophobia is a criminal offence?

When parliament passed the relevant Acts. Although I think homophobia (like racism) is still legal - as long as you keep quiet about it.