Homeopathy is bullshit, those who believe in it are idiots

[fork me]

Also remember the MORE diluted the solution is, the MORE potent it becomes. It does make me wonder if those who believe in homeopathy risk drinking any sort of water at all, due to the clearly huge amount of active medication they'd be consuming.

Now THIS I like!

 

[fork me]

Just out of interest, what about religion? whats your stance? "a load of f***ing bullshit" probably.

how many christians in the world? idiots the lot of them, not to mention to morons who worship allah....

Can't answer for him, but here's MY view on religion. God is a possible answer to a lot of things we can't explain. To my mind it's too convenient an answer. "We can't exlain how the universe was created, therefore it must have been created by an all powerful, intelligent being". Granted it's a possibilty, but it raises as many questions as it answered. How was this bneing created? Religion says He wasn't, He was always there. By that logic the Universe question could have the same answer.

I'm an agnostic, God might exist or might not, there is, to quote Asimov, "Insufficient data for a meaningful response".

Now, onto homeopathy. There is NO scientific basis for how it works. Unlike Chinese remedies and ancient Mayan herbalism, it has NOT been used successfully for thousands of years, it was "invented" in the 19th Century. It has NOT been shown to work, every single double blind test done has given a similar result to a placebo. All thne evidence shows it is bullshit and there is not one piece of evidence to suggest the contrary.

Homeopathy is bullshit.

HTH

 

[fork me]

For any medical condition everyone’s first port of call should be their GP however modern medicine doesn't always work. A friend suffered for many years with a condition which medicine controls in a limited way. Her GP referred her to the Homeopathic Hospital in London & the treatment has worked, she is cured & no it’s not a condition which could be subject to a placebo effect. I know a vet who used homeopathic treatments on animals for certain ailments, they worked & as he said, the placebo effect just doesn’t come in to play with animals. The farmers were very pleased, saved a fortune on drugs.

OK, a few of points on the placebo effect. And they're interesting point because they show scientists do NOT have closed minds.

1) Nobody knows how the placebo effect works, it certainly isn't a simple case of "mind over matter".
2) It DOES work, this has been proven time and time again and scientists accept that it works.

Note points 1 and 2 above show that scientists DON'T have closed minds and won't just state that something doesn't work just because they don't know how it works.

3) The placebo effect can work on ANY condition, but it doesn't always work, indeed it doesn't work a lot more often than it does work, otherwise nobody would bother with all those expensive medicines.
4) The placebo effect HAS been shown to work on animals. Nobody can explain why or how, but it HAS been shown to work. This is one of the reasons that we know it isn't a simple case of mind over matter.

 

[fork me]

It seems to me that the believers in all things scientific pay little heed or respect to the spiritual dimension that is inherent in all human beings. I have no problem with people putting their faith and trust in science and the purely physical realm, that's their prerogative and I'm not saying they're right or wrong. I'm not really that interested in arguing with them either as I have no real desire to 'convert' anyone or justify my own beliefs to anyone but myself. My problem is when they dismiss those who don't share their viewpoint as being idioitic, ignorant, stupid etc etc. I also wonder why, if they're so confident in their viewpoint, why they seek to belittle others for theirs ?

What's all this "spiritual" nonsense?

Homeopathy has nothing to do with spirituality, it's based on bad science, nothing more nothing less. And it isn't even two centuries old.

 

[fork me]

You can't possibly have....a friend of mine is a Faith healer...she has more books on every single aspect than you could ever imagine,diet,physics,anatomy,astronomy,law,chemical composites.......the list are endless & exhaustive for what she is required to know in order to be what she is.

What does faith healing have to do with homeopathy?

 

[One Love]

Why is it that people who believe bollocks like homeopathy almost always believe the other shit that is widely rejected by scientists? Do you believe in a SOUL?

Everyone has a soul, even you.

 

[One Love]

What does faith healing have to do with homeopathy?

The thread has gone off on a tangent quite a few times. I've posted on here a few times but never about homeopathy.

 

[NMH]

What does ANY of this have to do with homeopathy?

Apparently it has nothing to do with YOUR idea of what homeopathy is.

If you consulted a homeopath, they will likely 'prescribe' substances not regulated or studied by pharmacists to show (what they will call) conclusive evidence.
The example that I mentioned, echinacea for instance, is such a substance. So I don't know how you perceive that nothing of my post relates to homeopathy.

 

[DJ Leon]

It seems to me that the believers in all things scientific pay little heed or respect to the spiritual dimension that is inherent in all human beings. I have no problem with people putting their faith and trust in science and the purely physical realm, that's their prerogative and I'm not saying they're right or wrong. I'm not really that interested in arguing with them either as I have no real desire to 'convert' anyone or justify my own beliefs to anyone but myself. My problem is when they dismiss those who don't share their viewpoint as being idioitic, ignorant, stupid etc etc. I also wonder why, if they're so confident in their viewpoint, why they seek to belittle others for theirs ?

I really think you should separate your belief in God and homeopathy. Whilst I think you are wrong about God, I know you are wrong about homeopathy. Believe it works if you like, but it amounts to the same thing as me not believing in gravity.

 

[fork me]

Apparently it has nothing to do with YOUR idea of what homeopathy is.

In what way do you think what I know homeopathy is, is different to what homeopathy actually is?

If you consulted a homeopath, they will likely 'prescribe' substances not regulated or studied by pharmacists to show (what they will call) conclusive evidence.
The example that I mentioned, echinacea for instance, is such a substance. So I don't know how you perceive that nothing of my post relates to homeopathy.

Echinacea is nothing to do with homeopathy. Echinacea is a herb (in fact it's a type of daisy) extracts of which are known to have a soothing effect. I suggest you look up homeopathy, it does not mean herbal medicines, it has a very precise meaning.

 

[GoldWithFalmer]

What does faith healing have to do with homeopathy?

She does both-

 

[NMH]

In what way do you think what I know homeopathy is, is different to what homeopathy actually is?



Echinacea is nothing to do with homeopathy. Echinacea is a herb (in fact it's a type of daisy) extracts of which are known to have a soothing effect. I suggest you look up homeopathy, it does not mean herbal medicines, it has a very precise meaning.

Ok, here is the first thing I have come across - and you will find relations to holistic medicines, the applications of a variety of compounds and result readings;

What is Homeopathy? Definition and Details. | ABC of Homeopathy | Homeopathy = Hpathy

Treatment of seasonal allergic rhinitis usi... [Ann Pharmacother. 2005] - PubMed - NCBI

Do note the reference to study for effects of tree, plant and weed species being used in homeopathy.
Do you wish to disregard echinacea as one of those, or something?

 

[Tricky Dicky]

You may find that difficult to stomach but I find it hard to imagine that the billion and one biochemical reactions it has taken to cause life as we know it all occurred haphazardly.

You really don't understand Darwinian evolution do you.

 

[One Love]

You really don't understand Darwinian evolution do you.

Enlighten me

 

[Nibble]

Homeopathy will not cure cancer or any other illness for that matter. If the people who believe in this horese shit can show me a legitimate study where a meaningful number of cancer sufferers were given proven, tried and tested medical procedures (say 1000 people) set against a group of cancer sufferers who were given homeopathic rememdies which resulted in them all being cured of their cancer I may start taking you seriously. But this would never happenwould it? Why? BEcause ultimately nobody, not even "dedicated" homeopathic practioners would risk it because they know eventually you would have 1000 dead heomeopathic nutjobs and even they don't believe in it enough to take that risk.
It's harmful chit.

 

[abc]

We use homeopathy on a herd of 250 cows. Like antibiotics it works in some situations and not in others. But as has been said, there is no placebo effect on cows. We also use herbal remedies and acupuncture. Our only concern is the health and welfare of our animals. If it works we use it

 

[Nibble]

We use homeopathy on a herd of 250 cows. Like antibiotics it works in some situations and not in others. But as has been said, there is no placebo effect on cows. We also use herbal remedies and acupuncture. Our only concern is the health and welfare of our animals. If it works we use it

Acupuncture and herbal rememdies have proven healing effects, homeopathy does not. And the placebo effect does work on animals. Unlike practioners of homeopathy some science boffins did actually run some tests and found the placebo to work on animals. and unlike practioners of homeopathy they readily admitted they have no idea how the placebo effect works.

Homeopathic healers like to have nice surgery's (they can afford it after you mugs have paid out), they like to put up meaningless qualifications on their walls, have waiting rooms, secretaries, little bottles and vials of "medicine" but it's all smoke and mirrors. Sticking feathers up your arse does not make you a chicken.

 

[NMH]

Acupuncture and herbal rememdies have proven healing effects, homeopathy does not. And the placebo effect does work on animals. Unlike practioners of homeopathy some science boffins did actually run some tests and found the placebo to work on animals. and unlike practioners of homeopathy they readily admitted they have no idea how the placebo effect works.

Homeopathic healers like to have nice surgery's (they can afford it after you mugs have paid out), they like to put up meaningless qualifications on their walls, have waiting rooms, secretaries, little bottles and vials of "medicine" but it's all smoke and mirrors. Sticking feathers up your arse does not make you a chicken.

I'm wondering how you can repeat that placebo effect is found to work (on animals!) and yet homeopathy you ridicule?
I'm neither supportive nor critical of homeopathy with this question - I just find your (mixture of) beliefs questionable.

You believe in placebo, but homeopathy is ralative to sticking feathers up your chuff and calling yourself poultry? Strange, isn't that?

 

[Nibble]

Not strange at all when you consider that scientists agree that the placebo effect sometimes works and sometimes doesn't and they have no idea why. As a result of this they treat patients with proper medicines and not chalk tablets because they will not rely on soething that is not 100% proven. As oppose to homeopathy which clearly doesn't work outside of a placebo effect but it's hawkers claim is 100% reliable. So you see, there is no mix of beliefs, no confusion on my part. I trust what has been tried, tested and proven to work and I appreciate when someone says they don't understand how or why it works. I don't believe in bullshit. Simple really.

 

[Glenn-Murray]

I accept that the brain can be tricked into helping the body by thinking that medicine is coming when in reality it isn't. This can cure aches and pains etc. Notice, it doesn't cure AIDS or cancer.

I do not accept that WATER can cure you in any way other than a placebo. The only people who think it can are f***ing idiots. Dilution making things stronger is the least scientific and most incredibly stupid thing I've ever heard. I might have to change career and profit from the unbelievable gullibility and all-round ignorance of fact displayed by some people. Did you not pay attention in science at school?

As for the comment on the soul, give me a break. If it can't be measured, seen, heard, etc it isn't there. Nobody has ever presented any evidence for a soul.

The "spiritual dimension" is a crock of shit, you need to be a retard to believe it. Reading tea leaves? Star signs? Horoscopes? f***ing FAITH HEALING? Reading auras? Talking to the dead? If you believe any of those, do us all a favour and form your own community of mind-addled retards.

People who practice homeopathy, faith healing, reading tea leaves/auras etc. are either lying or mentally I'll. That is not arrogance, it's scientific fact. None of it works in any way other than placebo.