[Brighton] HELP SAVE THE PRINCE ALBERT!!

[pb21]

Even if the desired end use is residential they will have to apply for that change and, unless planning policy changes, it will be similarly refused.

This being granted planning permission for commercial use in no way increases the chance of it being residential in future while the Prince Albert is still there.

 

[South Stand Bonfire]

FFS no wonder we can’t get anything built in this ****ing country!

Why does there always have to be a conspiracy theory?

The designs of the offices don’t lend themselves to residential use. The cost of conversion would be astronomical. It’s not going to happen!

And if it did, they would need to enter into a s106 Agreement that could have restrictions on any residents complaining about the venue‘s music license, as long as the pub adhered to its licensing obligations. That’s what happened to the Duke of Wellington in Shoreham that has a residential development in progress next to it.

 

[Triggaaar]

Maybe you need a history lesson

You're ok Graham

 

[Weststander]

All the restrictions are on the proposed business premises next door.

Soundproofing along with not being able to operate after 8pm.

Down the line (a cynic here), when the inevitable housing application is added ….. that could be years away but ££££ always rule, I hope BHCC at the time imposes nothing new on the venue. Similarly at periodic license reviews.

Someone chooses to move to a city centre with a live music venue next door, it comes with the territory.

A city without the arts is ……. Croydon.

 

[Triggaaar]

Down the line (a cynic here), when the inevitable housing application is added ….. that could be years away but ££££ always rule

For the land-owner, ££££ do indeed rule. But is it better for the land owner to build and start renting out a business premises, or earn nothing on a £1.5m+ property for another couple of years whilst applying for something else which will be rejected? Everything so far suggests that they'll never get permission to build a residential property.

A city without the arts is ……. Croydon.

(except that Croydon is a town)

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Even if the desired end use is residential they will have to apply for that change and, unless planning policy changes, it will be similarly refused.

This being granted planning permission for commercial use in no way increases the chance of it being residential in future while the Prince Albert is still there.

There was a concern about “Agent of change”, see page 3 of this thread, do you know if this has been explicitly ruled out?

 

[jackalbion]

It's going to look something like this:

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BH2022/02492 | Demolition of existing car rental premises and erection of a four storey building (plus basement) comprising solely commercial floorspace (Class E). |

planningapps.brighton-hove.gov.uk

Much better than it does at the moment, which is more like the Cobblers when that went.

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Place needs to stay vibrant, plus the people working there will likley frequent the pub.

Being commercial use only, close to zero, if not zero, the pub is at risk.

Will be a real shame to see Fake Taxi go, love their videos!

 

[pb21]

There was a concern about “Agent of change”, see page 3 of this thread, do you know if this has been explicitly ruled out?

Yes, in the sense that the pub wouldn’t affect use of the proposed commercial development, particularly as it would have to close by 8 pm.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Yes, in the sense that the pub wouldn’t affect use of the proposed commercial development, particularly as it would have to close by 8 pm.

Good to know, thank you.

 

[kevo]

All the restrictions are on the proposed business premises next door.

Soundproofing along with not being able to operate after 8pm.

Does this mean live music at the pub can't start until after 8pm? That would put an end to it being a venue for festivals such as the Great Escape.

 

[CheeseRolls]

Landlord isn't happy about this at all.

Pub owner fears much-loved venue may close now offices will be built next door

A pub owner has said it is a “crying shame” that plans to build a four-storey office block next to their lively boozer have been approved

www.theargus.co.uk

 

[Hugo Rune]

Does this mean live music at the pub can't start until after 8pm? That would put an end to it being a venue for festivals such as the Great Escape.

I hope not. That would be absolute rubbish. Ideally, the new business would be banned from complaining about the noise but l know that’s not realistic. However, if the business did complain, they’d become one of the most unpopular business in Brighton.

 

[Boys 9d]

If the office block has to include sound proofing, does this not infer that the music could be played before 8pm?