Gus

[Thunder Bolt]

I'll quote it again mate. If you are going to quote me at least do it in full. I said if we start the season with one win in ten, as we finished the previous one, then yes, I think Poyet will be gone by Bonfire Night. Slightly different to the way you quoted it there.

A big word - IF.

 

[LamieRobertson]

Maybe because he sees very little difference in how we are going to set up from how we did last season, when we had the honour of being the second worst club in terms of shots after Doncaster.

Pretty negative stance...and i don't agree with being setup the same...plus a years experience of championship football

 

[Johnnyboy]

I would have preferred a bit more moment in premeirship jobs personally. Glad there was enough for you.

I laughed. Only for a moment!

 

[El Presidente]

We are EIGHTH favourite for promotion, which is about right.

 

[Mr Burns]

I'd have to disagree that measured equates to negative when the intent of possession is creative but I guess I prefer to see the positives in the side and enjoy the technical aspects of the game

You can have all the intent in the world, but when the stats read
On target/Off target/woodwork
Burnley 299 308 15
Ipswich Town 314 277 21
Middlesbrough 303 284 26
West Ham Utd 298 284 19
Peterborough 309 268 23
Blackpool 294 260 13
Hull City 294 258 19
Cardiff City 283 256 17
Southampton 292 244 10
Leicester City 264 271 21
Leeds United 289 222 15
Birmingham 264 242 16
Bristol City 279 225 12
Derby County 270 231 14
Portsmouth 223 275 18
Nottm Forest 254 239 17
Millwall 251 235 20
Coventry City 225 257 18
Watford 255 206 12
Reading 236 205 11
Barnsley 221 217 9
Crystal Palace 215 222 12
Brighton 209 200 19
Doncaster 178 211 9

when you consider we have 3 million pound wingers plus Vicente, a £3m striker that as I said elsewhere, any team in the championship would have signed last summer given the chance, then we should be doing better than that.

Having said that, as we only ever seem to play with one of our four wingers, and have starved the star signing to the extent he is a bench warmer, and wait and allow the opposition plenty of time to jog back and get behind the ball when we get possession and allow them "park the bus" and invite us to try and break them down, then maybe those stats aren't that bad after all.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

You can have all the intent in the world, but when the stats read

Burnley 299 308 15
Ipswich Town 314 277 21
Middlesbrough 303 284 26
West Ham Utd 298 284 19
Peterborough 309 268 23
Blackpool 294 260 13
Hull City 294 258 19
Cardiff City 283 256 17
Southampton 292 244 10
Leicester City 264 271 21
Leeds United 289 222 15
Birmingham 264 242 16
Bristol City 279 225 12
Derby County 270 231 14
Portsmouth 223 275 18
Nottm Forest 254 239 17
Millwall 251 235 20
Coventry City 225 257 18
Watford 255 206 12
Reading 236 205 11
Barnsley 221 217 9
Crystal Palace 215 222 12
Brighton 209 200 19
Doncaster 178 211 9

when you consider we have 3 million pound wingers plus Vicente, a £3m striker that as I said elsewhere, any team in the championship would have signed last summer given the chance, then we should be doing better than that.

Having said that, as we only ever seem to play with one of our four wingers, and have starved the star signing to the extent he is a bench warmer, and wait and allow the opposition plenty of time to jog back and get behind the ball when we get possession and allow them "park the bus" and invite us to try and break them down, then maybe those stats aren't that bad after all.

This is the poster who said in the thread 'Barnes isn't nearly good enough for us' that we couldn't use stats to show that he was!!

 

[severnside gull]

This is the poster who said in the thread 'Barnes isn't nearly good enough for us' that we couldn't use stats to show that he was!!

ha ha = touche or what

good stats but I'm sure Mr B would be the first to say stats don't prove anything and maybe a lack of end product is indicative that the players aren't actually quite good enough stepping up a division (heavens forbid I should say that about our team) rather than that we are negative in our style and intent. The stats on yellow and red cards might support that view and another equally valid "stat" would be the league table and that certainly isn't negative

 

[Mr Burns]

This is the poster who said in the thread 'Barnes isn't nearly good enough for us' that we couldn't use stats to show that he was!!

Your point, if you have one?

 

[Mr Burns]

ha ha = touche or what

good stats but I'm sure Mr B would be the first to say stats don't prove anything and maybe a lack of end product is indicative that the players aren't actually good enough (heavens forbid I should say that about our team) rather than that we are negative in our style and intent = another equally valid "stat" would be the league table and that certainly isn't negative

So what our players aren't good enough. Poyet broke the transfer record twice to sign strikers and are you saying aren't they good enough. Or are you saying they aren't good enough to play the style?

 

[El Presidente]

You can have all the intent in the world, but when the stats read
On target/Off target/woodwork
Burnley 299 308 15
Ipswich Town 314 277 21
Middlesbrough 303 284 26
West Ham Utd 298 284 19
Peterborough 309 268 23
Blackpool 294 260 13
Hull City 294 258 19
Cardiff City 283 256 17
Southampton 292 244 10
Leicester City 264 271 21
Leeds United 289 222 15
Birmingham 264 242 16
Bristol City 279 225 12
Derby County 270 231 14
Portsmouth 223 275 18
Nottm Forest 254 239 17
Millwall 251 235 20
Coventry City 225 257 18
Watford 255 206 12
Reading 236 205 11
Barnsley 221 217 9
Crystal Palace 215 222 12
Brighton 209 200 19
Doncaster 178 211 9

when you consider we have 3 million pound wingers plus Vicente, a £3m striker that as I said elsewhere, any team in the championship would have signed last summer given the chance, then we should be doing better than that.

Having said that, as we only ever seem to play with one of our four wingers, and have starved the star signing to the extent he is a bench warmer, and wait and allow the opposition plenty of time to jog back and get behind the ball when we get possession and allow them "park the bus" and invite us to try and break them down, then maybe those stats aren't that bad after all.

Interesting to see where the two promoted clubs, Reading and Stains, appear in that table!

Lies, damned lies and statistics comes to mind.

 

[severnside gull]

So what our players aren't good enough. Poyet broke the transfer record twice to sign strikers and are you saying aren't they good enough. Or are you saying they aren't good enough to play the style?

maybe as a team they werent up to stepping up a division and coping at a different level - they are predominently the same squad. And maybe what we spent in breakiing our record was nowhere near what others sppent over years

 

[Mr Burns]

Interesting to see where the two promoted clubs, Reading and Stains, appear in that table!

Lies, damned lies and statistics comes to mind.

It is. But the point is we have the attacking players in the squad, but Poyet doesn't use them enough. Whats the point of having 4 million pound wingers, and only ever playing with one. What's the point of smashing the clubs transfer record on a striker, and then not playing to his strengths and leaving him on the bench? When you have the likes of CMS, Vicente, Noone, LuaLua, Buckley at your disposale, and you come second bottom in the shooting stakes, then somethings not right.

If feels like the more of these players we had available to us later on in the season, the worst our shooting chances become.

 

[we hate palace]

I think that they have a 5 year plan so if we fail to get promoted this year there is always next year, so the answer has to be no he wont..

i think the prem is the target this season cos you know the attendances will start falling after the novelty of a new stadium wears off and if we are not pushing for the top 6, i think we should be looking at play offs at least with the players we have brought in

 

[thony]

You can have all the intent in the world, but when the stats read
On target/Off target/woodwork
<Meaningless stats cut>

As Mark Twain said: "there are 3 kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics".
You can always find statistics that supposedly support whatever argument you want.

How about looking at the most important statistic: points earned?

The strengthening we've done so far will hopefully mean conceding even fewer goals than last season.
That should equate to extra points, which should equate to a higher finish than last season. Simples!

 

[El Presidente]

It is. But the point is we have the attacking players in the squad, but Poyet doesn't use them enough. Whats the point of having 4 million pound wingers, and only ever playing with one. What's the point of smashing the clubs transfer record on a striker, and then not playing to his strengths? When you have the likes of CMS, Vicente, Noone, LuaLua, Buckley at your disposale, and you come second bottom in the shooting stakes, then somethings not right.

If feels like the more of these players we had available to us later on in the season, the worst our shooting chances become.

I agree that we don't play to CMS's strengths. In relation to the excess of wingers, they are all injury prone. I suspect Gus feels that to play two of them plus Vicente is too much of a luxury as we will concede possession too much.

 

[Mr Burns]

As Mark Twain said: "there are 3 kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics".
You can always find statistics that supposedly support whatever argument you want.

How about looking at the most important statistic: points earned?

The strengthening we've done so far will hopefully mean conceding even fewer goals than last season.
That should equate to extra points, which should equate to a higher finish than last season. Simples!

Lets hope so. lets hope so. My only worry is we carry over last season form into this one.

 

[El Presidente]

i think the prem is the target this season cos you know the attendances will start falling after the novelty of a new stadium wears off and if we are not pushing for the top 6, i think we should be looking at play offs at least with the players we have brought in

That's ignoring the clubs that came down, all of whom have money, Cardiff, Forest and Leicester, who have foreign money behind them, and Blackpool and Birmingham, who have £18 million of parachute payments to boost their buying power.

 

[dingodan]

If we fail to get promoted this season due to lack of goals despite having a very good midfield and defence, as we did last season,will Tony lose his patience and get rid of Gus

 

[Questions]

Lets hope so. lets hope so. My only worry is we carry over last season form into this one.

If that is your only worry thats not too bad.

 

[thony]

As Mark Twain said: "there are 3 kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics"...

(Am I allowed to quote myself?)

I just checked this, and have found out that this wasn't Mark Twain's own saying, but he was quoting a saying that he attributed to Disraeli.
Apologies for my very own lie, and apologies for stealing Disraeli's thunder!