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Gus threatens to walk out.
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Austrian Gull
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Dean Cox one of the players?
The players De Fanti has signed must be okay then?
TheMajor
BHA>CPFC
He's engineering a move out because he wants the biggest & best job going - Palace ! 
Dorset Seagull
Once Dolphin, Now Seagull
I think the best way DOF works is if the manager gives a list of players he would be happy with for a certain position and the DOF works from the top down in trying to bring them in. Also I assume he has the responsibility of putting forward researched names for positions that the manager wants to fill but ultimately the manager really must have the final say from the list that meet the budget requirement
rcf0712
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Vicente
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Its All Too Beautiful
Not surprised at this, however, if he is expected to carry the can for failure surely he wants a say on who he will have at his disposal on the other hand you can only spend what you have. Well, looks like the Sunderland hierarchy didn't do their reference checks very well, next thing Poyet will be walking up the tunnel for 45 minutes when he has players sent off, or sit sulking on the sidelines. Perhaps it was lost in translation Gus or perhaps your ego is just so big, but to threaten to walk out tells us all at the Amex that its you and not our chairman, you just can't help yourself.
I'm perhaps a little less shocked by this than most Sunderland supporters because I followed his career quite closely while at B&HA; I still think it's rather reprehensible.
He's correct to be fighting his case with Ellis Short regarding the signings being his choices, not De Fanti's, but to go public when you're five matches into the job is not the way I believe a manager should behave. I'm all too aware that is an early reminder of Poyet's reign at B&HA.
Once Paolo had been so unjustly fired Gus was the man I wanted, but this story reinforces Di Canio's claim that De Fanti delivered virtually none of Paolo's first or second choices and left him to work with a dozen new men that he hadn't really wanted, only a couple of whom have featured since Poyet's arrival.
I find it grossly unfair that Paolo Di Canio is viewed the length and breadth of this land as a crazy unemployable failure, when he kept his feelings in house until he was given the push after just thirteen matches "in charge". I suppose Gus is covering his back from the start.
He's correct to be fighting his case with Ellis Short regarding the signings being his choices, not De Fanti's, but to go public when you're five matches into the job is not the way I believe a manager should behave. I'm all too aware that is an early reminder of Poyet's reign at B&HA.
Once Paolo had been so unjustly fired Gus was the man I wanted, but this story reinforces Di Canio's claim that De Fanti delivered virtually none of Paolo's first or second choices and left him to work with a dozen new men that he hadn't really wanted, only a couple of whom have featured since Poyet's arrival.
I find it grossly unfair that Paolo Di Canio is viewed the length and breadth of this land as a crazy unemployable failure, when he kept his feelings in house until he was given the push after just thirteen matches "in charge". I suppose Gus is covering his back from the start.
Icy Gull
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You'd better hope that a portion of the Sunderland fans don't boo him if you have a poor result soon. It will only exacerbate the situation and the "might as well go home and play golf" line will come out.
Kalimantan Gull
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which shows why Gus is right to put it out in the open. At the end of the day, in football the buck always stops with the manager.
keaton
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Well (unsurprisingly) the Guardian article makes it far less dramatic than the other sources.
And it says he's happy to work with a director of football.
So what appears to have happened is he said he didn't one of the players and the director of football said fine, we won't sign him then.
But don't let that stop you all getting in a tizz .
And it says he's happy to work with a director of football.
So what appears to have happened is he said he didn't one of the players and the director of football said fine, we won't sign him then.
But don't let that stop you all getting in a tizz .
Icy Gull
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The headline doesn't
Gus Poyet will quit Sunderland if transfer targets not to his liking
Icy Gull
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If he's so right, give me some examples of other managers who do their player negotiations with the hierarchy of their club through the media?
To be clear, I don't actually disagree with Gus' opinion on this, it's just the gobbing off to the press that I find so unprofessional.
kevtherev
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Is anyone even remotely surprised?
Seagull on the wing
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Well at least Gus is putting his mark on his CV. Let me loose and buy the players I want or I'll throw a hissy and walk out!
Future employers you know what you get with Gus...but tread on eggshells.
Future employers you know what you get with Gus...but tread on eggshells.
Blackadder
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The only one that springs to mind is Brian Clough. Mind you, that was more about his general disagreements with his chairman, rather than player negotiations.
casbom
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I'm actually fully behind Gus on this one, imagine if Oscar was told "We're going to sign this player, even if you don't want him", what would Oscar do?
I should imagine Gus was told the same process will be followed as it was during his time with us, i.e. a list of potential players and he would have the final say. That is how it should work, you shouldn't have to work with a player who you didn't want to sign in the first place (aka Roland).
I should imagine Gus was told the same process will be followed as it was during his time with us, i.e. a list of potential players and he would have the final say. That is how it should work, you shouldn't have to work with a player who you didn't want to sign in the first place (aka Roland).
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WAAAAAH WAAAAAH WAAAAH. Gus at it again...
Fair point though.
Fair point though.
I have some sympathy for managers here.
They have good contracts but the pressure is overwhelming, they have an ambition to succeed and he is the guy that gets the flack or adulation.
Managers of course have to work within budget constraints but it seems quite reasonable for them to have the predominant say on which players he brings in within those agreed terms.
Perhaps he already has nearly exhausted talks with his Director of Football and is playing a bit of hardball going public.
Poyet probably has a significant bonus for staying up and in his mind something worth fighting for even if it does ruffle a few feathers, he is probably in his strongest position at present and thinks if he brings in those players that he feels aren't good enough he is doomed to failure anyways, so fight the fight now rather than wait when your 'allies' have already deserted you.
They have good contracts but the pressure is overwhelming, they have an ambition to succeed and he is the guy that gets the flack or adulation.
Managers of course have to work within budget constraints but it seems quite reasonable for them to have the predominant say on which players he brings in within those agreed terms.
Perhaps he already has nearly exhausted talks with his Director of Football and is playing a bit of hardball going public.
Poyet probably has a significant bonus for staying up and in his mind something worth fighting for even if it does ruffle a few feathers, he is probably in his strongest position at present and thinks if he brings in those players that he feels aren't good enough he is doomed to failure anyways, so fight the fight now rather than wait when your 'allies' have already deserted you.
Justice
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Cue a turd appearing in the away dressing room sometime soon.